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ALCS Game Three Game Thread

 

Lineups for Game 3

Rangers

Kinsler 2B
Andrus SS
Hamilton CF
Young 1B
Beltre 3B
Napoli DH
Cruz RF
Torrealba C
Chavez LF

Lewis P

Tigers

Jackson CF
Kelly 3B
Young LF
Cabrera 1B
Martinez DH
Avila C
Peralta SS
Raburn RF
Santiago 2B

Fister P

Courtesy of Alex



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first blood

single-single-single

Bummer. Feels like Fister is being ...er, I was going to say "fisted" to death but

that sounds terrible. He’s being BABIP’d to death?

But that was good!

Instead of fisted he gets a DP!

Er… damnit.

you know...there are videos on the interwebs of that!

is it better to be BABIP’d or BABOP’d?

Even better is to be...

PET PEEVE

Why is it OK to pronounce BABIP as if it were a word (bah-bip) but not OPS (opps)?

Dunno. They both sound musical to me!

Do people say BABIP as if it were a word? We should really come up with a viable word for BABIP. I bet Josie could do this and it would be the greatest new word in the dictionary. She could win a prize.

I say “opps” for OPS and not O.P.S. I also pronounce BABIP with a short “a”. That’s how things shake down in the Nard.

Its not OK for either

How do you pronounce OK?

Depends

on whether you’re an Okie or not.

Also, depends if you are from Muskogee.

Okie Dokie

My Okie Junior sailor would take offense to being called an Okie.

Stylistically, you’re only supposed to phonetically say acronyms if you would write them as a normal word. You can say scuba and sonar, but FDIC is never written as just another word. Babip doesn’t work that way, so it’s not really okay to say it phonetically.

Is there any stat that’s said phonetically? Maybe WHIP? Why would we do that with any other stat.

that’s what the whole above discussion was about

Right but I just don’t know why it’s a discussion since we don’t talk about a players ere-a so why would we say Buh-Bip.

because Underdog conjugated BABIP and then Humma called him out on it and now here we are in heated agreement that Humma was right

ba-bip

not bu-bip

bomp-de-bomp!
Who put the bomp in the bomp-de-bomp-de-bomp?

David?

Ribbie. And, my personal favorite, Gwerbie.

This seems like the lets

pretend he is Jon Ely approach

A
Loney
Uribe
Gordon
Rolen
Ellis
Andre
Kemp
Sands

lineup is intriguing to me.

But if Blake has successful surgery wouldn’t he simply suffice at 1/2 the cost?

how old is Rolen?

for a 3rd baseman he’s on his last legs. Casey Blake old. Arod Old, Mike Schmidt old, Eddie Mathews old, Ron Santo old

last legs
Ron Santo old

I am not the person who will make the joke, but there is a joke here.

Make the joke!

Humma doesn’t want to stoop to that level.

we’re waiting on you

Ron Santo Last Legs

I’d give my two arms for my last legs

but would you have a leg for an arm

and an arm for leg?

You can’t rely on Rolen as a full time player. So it just means more Aaron Miles.

you can't rely on blake either

or anyone available other then A ram but then you get shitty defense for 4 years and a declining player.

So you are saying that with Aram you don’t get shitty defense and a declining player?

I think that’s exactly what he DID say

a ram

has shitty defense and will possibly get worse defensively, being so bad he has to play 1st base at which point he won’t be worth his contract.

Got it, I missed the but

20 points down the drain. Tigers don’t score in the first.

By the way, fuck Taco Bell.

if we're discussing commericals

I hate the one with Jimmy Fallon.

Is it because it has Jimmy Fallon?
yes

But it’s more Jimmy Fallon.

baby should have hit him with the fire extinguisher

This comment is so true.

There was something very specific I wanted to complain about regarding the “make it rain up in here” version, but I can’t remember what it was.

Jimmy Fallon

Now that Fallon is no longer laughing through sketches on SNL, I have no beef with him.

Things that are beef free Chalupa, and feelings that E has for Jimmy Fallon.

I REMEMBER NOW

It’s that the mailman in the commercial is clearly Roy Campanella, reincarnated.

How soon we forget

Frank Caliendo

only see his act on FOX NFL Sunday, so small doses ain’t so bad.

the 20th time I see that Fallon commercial fail at being any kind of funny i just want to strangle him

Latest commercials blow or did you try the new chalupa and are posting from the toilet?

And he brought his computer with him. He knew it was a bad one.

An XXL

For instance.

those are rather large

did you have this same comment after last year’s Taco Bell baseball commercials?

Kept Cruz in the park. Win.

The urban dictionary for Shit is hysterical.

For example:

The Lincoln Log Shit
The kind of shit that’s so enormous you’re afraid to flush it down without first breaking it up into little pieces with the toilet brush.

I could watch that Endy Chavez catch like a billion times and not get tired of it.

Baseball Fever

Catch it

Gameday is acting all whack on me. I may have to resort to watching the game and figure out what is happening by the camera on the pitcher.

make sure you look for fear in his eyes

At least with Marcum I knew what had happened.

same

did you get like 80 messages that they game was started, but the button didn’t work

you know what would be awesome?

if roster talk made me feel good.

fuck, I’d really love that.

saw this on MLBTR.
•If the Red Sox believe that third base prospect Will Middlebrooks is ready for primetime, then Kevin Youkilis might become expendable for them. If that’s the case, then the Rockies would have interest, writes Troy Renck of The Denver Post (via Twitter).

ignoring the Rockies, how about this here idear?

I'm telling you, they are moving Agone to 3B for Fielder or Pujols

;)

AGON DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!!

Middlebrooks doesn’t really seem like the sort of prospect you’re willing to trade Kevin Youkilis to open a spot for, unless a) they need to free up payroll, or b) they think he’s regressing instead of simply having a subpar (for him) season. Middlebrooks looks a bit too much like Shea Hillenbrand for my comfort.

their loss

our gain

If we're quick

maybe we can trade Sellers for Youk before Theo leaves. Dude has a fetish for shitty shortstops.

I’d have to know more about Youk’s injury to say for sure but he hit a lot more flyballs this year which is gonna mean more dingers, but will drive down his average.

Problem is that the Red Sox are gonna want something that can help immediately, and the only thing that qualifies is something like Dee Gordon and maybe reliever to go with that. Without Gordon, your shortstop hole is just as big as the third base hole and I don’t think we can spend our way to a replacement. I think I’d do it because I have a low opinion of Dee and think we’d be selling high but I can see why you wouldn’t want to.

don't they have that one guy

whose name I can’t remember but now i’m stuck in this sentence oh God help me okay i’m just gonna call him Dawson

That was some nice footwork by Jhonny on the DP

they don’t call him Twinketoes for nothing

/idon’tthinktheycallhimthat

I believe in Tommy Blackjack

Jim Wolf seems as likable is his bro.

“Call me Wolfie”

will do :)

Bill Madden of the NY Daily News reports on Theo to Cubs

Link:

According to one source, final contract details were in the process of being worked out Tuesday night and the only other detail, albeit an important one, was the compensation the Red Sox would receive from the Cubs.

Starlin Castro for Theo Epstein

Rights to all

Goat merchandise

los Chivas!

Spiced goat with rice and a fresh green salad.

Or is that Jerked Goat?

that’s how you make a baby goat

And here I thought that they fed the baby goat dry rice and roast.

well it’s already made at that point

Do the sox need to be compensated because Theo is still under contract?

this is why fired vs. resigned does matter

Its Theo’s going away present to the Red Sox.

Cash to fund the Broadway re-release of “No, No, Nanette”.

The “Thong Thursday” Bud Light commercial made me laugh.

Tie game, thanks to V-Mart

Shop Smart,

Shop V-Mart.

And we’re tied. V-Mart HR.

V-Mart hurt himself on that HR.

Man, just about every damn Tiger is hurt.

VMart vs Beltre in a Hurt-Off!

162+ games will wear you out.

BTW

tough news on Robbie Keane but glad to know his wife is working on her reality show

??

Robbie Keane is out for a month with a leg injury, but in the meantime, his wife is working on one of those Real Housewives type shows that are all over E and Bravo

Robbie Keane's wife

that's

some light blue water

Hey look at that there is water in the picture.

i've moved on

looking at the table now

Those are some legs on that table.

some kind of bulbous decoration as well

Also

tits.

……………..what?

It is a Josie

inspired comment

I’m really finding it harder to find baseball stuff to contribute here. Soccer is taking over my brain

then it's gonna burst out of your chest

and sing like Michigan J Frog

And your excuse

before soccer

is that I’m at best a semi-knowledgable baseball wife, married to this gd site

the good thing from his perspective is Ireland made it to the Euro qualifying playoffs anyhow, so he can still help them getting to the 2012 tournament.

No disrespect but

Thanks Tim but shuddup.
I don’t need someone talking to me like Mr. Rogers.
If we’re watching we have probably seen a game before.

Buck sucks too

You hear this complaint a lot

but again, these broadcasts are not for people who watch a lot of baseball it is for those who only watch the playoffs.

Given the ratings for playoff baseball

Are there really that many people that fit that definition?

World Series for sure, not sure about playoff baseball. Just know when the World Series starts I hear from friends all the time who never pay attention the rest of the year.

WS, sure

but that was exactly why I wrote “playoff” and not “post-season”.
/Callback

Did V-Mart throw his back out swinging the bat?

Well, I suppose it beats the shit over Joe Morgan.

Kind of interesting little tip from a journeyman ballplayer on Twitter
JustMeGee Richard Giannotti
Those that don’t know Cruz for Texas swings a LOG for a bat. Swung one of his bats in BP and it is HEAVY. Just shows u how strong he is
this is a stat blog Giannotti

GIVE US NUMBERS!!!

his bat always did look bigger to me then everyone elses....
Hahaha

Raiders only had 10 men on the field on the final play against the Texans (game-ending interception of Matt Schaub)

They had Al's

spirit as the 11th man

you and me BH

Though they probably

could have used the 11th player

i think we all know

they had a 11.

/RIPAL

As of now the Niners/Lions game is not on in L.A. Eagles/Redskins are the 10 am choice. This better change.

http://www.the506.com/

I couldn’t figure it out. It’s like they drew a bubble around LA and LV for no apparently reason

RABBLE!!!!!
Ho hum

Sunday Ticket or just watch Red Zone channel

Would be nice for Miguel Cabrera to hit the over on his 1.5 total bases here.

I’d still walk him with 1st base open.

lol Beltre

what the hell was that?

everyone got confused

Colby Lewis at 98 pitches through 5. Hoping for the under on 18.5 outs recorded by him.

I think it is a shoe-in. Phil and I went for that bet pretty hard too.

Damn, that bat looked like it hurt.

oooooh

that guy got clocked

Twinkletoes

jumped all over that one

4-1 Detroit…RBI single for Austin Jackson.

I have a weird feeling that if

Carpenter wins tomorrow, the Cardinals will win the World Series.

lol i wonder if anyone picked the cards to win the WS

in the challenge thing

if the Cards win the World Series

they need to officially change their name to the St. Louis Zombies

i do think if the Cardinals win the World Series..

It makes it easier for them to not resign Pujols since mgmt may think their fans will still be happy from winning it all and not really care much that Pujols is gone.

hey, you know who's been waiting for a championship?

Dodgers.

The Cubs? no, they’re cursed.

I'll check

I picked a TB/STL W.S. Forget who I picked to win.

Looks like

I am the only person who picked the Cardinals to go to the W.S. but I had them losing to the Rays in 7 games.

cards - tigers rematch

i think the tigers win this time around though

A lot of faith put into Kyle Lohse and Jaime Garcia there.

huh?? since when was what’s-her-name on House? so weird.

Don't you even pretend

to be watching the game?

what game?

hehe it was a commercial during the game!

and beltre seems to have a few extra bone chips rattlin’ around in his leg tonight

are you talking about Charlene Yi?

yes

her

just joined, and she’s playing it weirdly serious

i may never be able to watch an episode of House because the show I worked on was a bad copy of it and makes me want to kill myself

what show was that?

mental

did you get to go to Columbia?

hahah no

it sounded like a nightmare there. the showrunner avoided going there like a plague but ohhh when she was gone it was an OK job hahah.

But now I have a handful of Colombian friends!!

Wait, was this show set on an Ivy League campus or a South American country?

South America. Colombia.

I didn’t want to correct Josie, she already cursed at my about not liking Community ;D

Which engendered a heckuva discussion this morning!

oh man

i didnt realize it moved to the next thread. i was AT WORK. reading now!

Eric stood up for you and vanquished the potty mouthed Jocelyn

fuck that josie!

oops that came out wrong

(TWSS or TWHS)

i am strangely honored but this whole thread on the other post hahaha

ps

i wrote a long-ass comment about the tv shows i like. won’t clog it up here thou.

and I honestly did not know the answer. Mental and Ivy League sounded good to me.

hehehe well the show took place in LA but Colombia gave them a ton of tax credits and basically paid for the whole show if they shot it there. It was a terrible show but it got 16 or something episodes shot and aired because of Colombia.

That show about Gravity with Ron Livingston was the same kind of deal but with another country.

There’s a game? I’m just waiting for the geico ads.

from @MLBazFallLeague
#Dodgers RHP Stephen Fife has fanned 5 Saguaro hitters thru 3 innings tonight at Salt River Fields.

Cabrera hit the shit out of that one.

MIGGY!!

He’d be the greatest player in the game if he still played SS ;)

he played there?

I thought he came up as a 3B

he is my favorite chubby player in baseball

surprisingly there are a lot to choose from

What has been the happenings all up in here anyways

I am riding a nice drink run in Melbourne Florida waiting for sleep to take the questions away

It does seem chubby players can swing the bat. Maybe Andre should put on some weight:)

Einstein has something to say about mass, but hell if I know what it is

eh

what does he know? :)

“Fucking Catholics”.
/probablyNotWhatHeSaid

pretty darn decent Dave

what’s wrong with Uribe then?

Talent helps, not everyone is the round mound of rebound

not enough, goes to too much, pretty fucking fast

Miggy’s listed at 6’4 240 on baseball reference.
A-Rod is 6’3 230.

Not out of the realm a bigger player can play SS.

161 minor league games at SS, last at age 19 in high-A

damn my snark was only off by 7 years

He’s no Jimmy Wynn

or Ron Gant (if second base counts) :)

32 errors at SS in 98 games at Class A.
He was switched to 3b after that.

SS played him, he did not play SS

maybe he didn’t know where the pebbles were?

yes, he was a hell of a SS in little league

Channelling

his inner Albert Pujols.

I'm enjoying the short and sassy exit interviews

seems like Eric has had a lot of experience with them. Never had one myself.

Have never had one.

I’d like to think they come off about as smoothly as Joaquin Benoit’s band aids.

With a festering opinion bubbling below

I like blossoming onions, does that help?

Park Place stamp

This is probably a b.s. game but I just got this stamp at McD’s.

I really think we should play a game this winter where an anosomething comment is made and we have to guess who made it.

Took a minute to read up on it. There is one Boardwalk that exists.

Odds are 1 in 618,106,200.

There’s a chance.

If anyone has boardwalk, I’ll split the million with ya. Deal?

anosomething post

I’ll be dining at a McDonalds tonight, I’ll let you know what I get.

Himm to hibernate or go inside

HIBERNATE HIBERNATE

Fister

Starts the 8th. Don’t blow it Fister. Your job is to rest the bullpen for one more inning. I think 5-1 is too close for Penny. Maybe New Mexico will pitch?

as long as he doesn't start

Breaking Bad

Torrealba nearly made a second out (by a mile) on the bases, but got a lucky break.

broke it up with his head

yes, weird shit like that spooks me more than TV like American Horror Story

I hardly know her!

Nice job

Fister? I barely know her!

I’m impressed my notebook said 1/2 hour ago I had 7 minutes of power. My other notebook would say I had 1/2 of power and then power down in seven minutes.

this is a kinky series, we go from Fister to

oh. Those are benwa balls?!?

I mean because what else could they be and/or look like.

ben wa balls? I dunno, I just know it from Blink 182

classic lyrics
She said, “When I was a little girl, my dad left my mom. He always used to fart, and sing this special song. Now I wasn’t quite sure until your pants did fall. ‘Cause now I know that you’re my dad because you use ben wah balls.”

My Chinese name is pronounced something like Ben-wa, although the tones are not the same. I’m a baller.

Some quality facial grooming by Benoit over the last few days.

He so set himself up to make some bucks with the infamous sponsor boilbegone

is that a hedge on his face? a small shrubbery?

I meant he got rid of that giant festering mountain on his face from Saturday night

He looks like a Rabid Wolverine.

What is the Rangers primary color?

Blue or Red?

I hate teams with questionable color identities

Not a fan of the ambiguity myself.

California Angels, University of Kansas, Ole Miss, New England Patriots, Aston Villa, West Ham

University of Arizona, New York Football Giants, Atlanta Braves

I think we are not talking about the same thing

the fact that plenty of teams have two colors as their primary, and then I listed a bunch of teams that use red and blue equally?

yeah, maybe

um, ok

Josh Hamilton’s going to be a nice consolation prize for the team that doesnt get Matt Kemp after 2012.

mother says that when you don’t have anything nice to say, you shouldn’t say anything at all

Just thinkin out loud….If Kemp were to cost 140 mils and Josh Hamilton 90…i may side with Hamilton though he’s older.

Steve Largent is a CEO of some telecom/wireless company. Interesting.

Zorn to Largent was something I never fully got my head around as a kid

just how good was that?

No idea

I’m enjoying Stafford to Calvin at the moment.

i love me some John Zorn

sits and waits to see who comes out of hte woodwork as a zorn fan… i know SOMEONE will

He used to be in congress right?

congress of water buffalo

The thing about legal documents

I just skimmed the 80 page document filed by the Dodgers. It makes some good arguments that I will be interested to hear how MLB responds.

Now, the basic one seems to be, MLB, you knew or should have known what was going on, we told you and you approved. Now, you want to kick me out without going through the processes you have in place.

And this is where it gets sticky, surely MLB is riding on the McCourts took this money, etc. but if I am Court, I ask them, did you approve of how the Dodgers organized their assets, did you see their audited financial statements on an ongoing basis, and how is MLB damaged if the Dodgers sell their rights now?

I am nearly asleep, now tortured dreams will chase me

I will say this

McCourt is getting his multi-million dollars worth of lawyering now, that document had to be 250-500K by itself.

Deep in the heart of Texas'

batting order for the ninth.

I hate Valverde's motion

but appreciate that it is unique

but ugly

what the hell FOX?
Yeah

what the hell is with this box??

Great, Fox lost it’s HD feed.

SD feed just shrunk to half it’s size

HD shrunk to SD and SD shrunk the kids.

I gotta really watch this

and then pass out

night all

If Cruz doesn’t get to bat, or if he is held to a single or worse when he does, I think I hit all four of my bets in Xeifrank’s contest today.

Whiffs MYoung

on three pitches.

great play

by Miggy

z

nice place by Milky

Small NFL trade

Derrick Mason to the Texans for conditional 7th rounder.

Miggy's play goes 3-1

Beltre out. Two outs, Napoli up.

tigers win!

yes

and a great running catch to end it! Way to go el tigres!

Kelly damn near ran the perimeter of the RF warning track.

So, we're all rooting for the Tigers since the Rangers folded to the Giants, right?

Just curious to see if we’re united behind Detroit

I’m rooting for the home team, for if they don’t win it’s a shame

I would prefer if the Tigers won, but I don’t feel strongly one way or another in the ALCS.

I have a stronger rooting interest in the Brewers in the NLCS.

I

Like the Rangers

im partly rooting for the rangers

because i have this shirt

I don't mind the Rangers team much but I have a hard time rooting for a Texas team...

and I feel like Detroit could use a pick me up.

And yes, also the Rangers choked vs the Giants last year {shakes fist}. Not tops on my list of irrational reasons I’m rooting against them.

OK Tigers, just get everyone in one of those hyperbaric chambers or something.

Anyone here play Fantasy 5?

Policeman, Firefighter, Soccerplayer, doctor, surfer – in that order

i'm sure nolander is

hope they got a megalixer

only 4 6 7 and 9

Haven’t played it a couple for a couple of years.

Back to back day games tomorrow and Thursday.

Wall to wall baseball for 48 hours.

tigers

still have a pretty good chance in this series if they can win game 4

Anyone know the difference in TV ratings between the day and night games?

like all time?

Just this year..

Cant imagine anyone likes day playoff games….advertisers, fans, the players, networks

Well as an example

yesterday’s game went an hour into primetime on the east coast:

8:00PM
CBS How I Met Your Mother 4.0 11 8.890
ABC Dancing with the Stars 3.0 7 16.790
FOX ALCS Overrun 1.9 8 6.570
NBC The Sing Off 1.5 4 4.350
CW Gossip Girl 0.6 1 1.270

And that’s the last third of the game

GO THE SING OFF!!!

meanwhile, MNF did a 10.3

In Detroit, you know where the Tigers play
Detroit: 10.7 rating on ESPN and 25.7 rating on WXYZ, for a combined 36.4 rating.

Almost 40% of available TVs in Detroit were watching the Lions

Read it absolutely killed Terra Nova and House’s ratings.

can't wait for

Terra Nova “extinct” headlines!

yup, House might get it back in DVR #s, but that 10 pm slot isn’t where you stick your best performing show

Gossip Girl i’m disappointed in you.
That show is still on?

the CW is technically still a major broadcast net since they program the whole work week

There’s no team left that really pulls in ratings so unless each series gets to 6 or 7 games Fox and TBS are gonna take a beating.

Day games just make a bad situation worse but there’s no way around it with two networks splitting it up.

Yankees/Tigers Game 5 did 9.7 million viewers in a night game. But, the Yankees are gone. The World Series might struggle to hit that number the first 4 games.

I’m just wondering if these games collectively would pull bigger numbers if they were up against each other in primetime (but still in primetime)…instead of being split day/night.

They could but that’s obviously not an option. Somewhere in the TV deal there must be a clause where they can’t compete.

I think that’s for the best but that’s certainly a debate.

On Saturday, against a bad football game
8:00
FOX MLB ALCS Game 1: Tigers at Rangers 1.7/6 6.12
ABC College Football: Ohio State at Nebraska 1.3/5 4.48
9:00
FOX MLB ALCS Game 1: Tigers at Rangers 1.8/6 6.29
ABC College Football: Ohio State at Nebraska 1.6/5 4.95

Starting to think that people like football…

It’s not good for ratings.

OK, I finally removed Dee Gordon from my Dodgers list. I’m still following him, but he will no longer clog the Dodger feed.

COULD I GET A RT FOR MY STUBBED TOE???? #SKINNYSWAG

Nothing productive has ever come after “could i get a rt”

reg

did you see my comment about Youkilis?

could i get a RT? cure for cancer:
i now own an HD-DVD player!

could i get a RT?

/hipster
hahah

how is that hipster? using antiquated stuff? it’s not like i’m using a typewriter instead of a computer.

i remember this commercial

about a guy bragging about his prized german chestnut roaster.

Reminded me of you minty

hahah

the toshiba HD-A30 is considered a great upconverting dvd player!

counter-cultural

are movies still being released on HD-DVD?

not that i know of

but it should be a decent upconverting dvd player for the meantime

you are a fool.

whaaa?

what’d i do now??

you can get those for like 20 bucks

how much did the hd-dvd player cost?

free
totally worth it
who's the fool now!?!?

LUDAAAAAAA

it’s all good : )

hehe

Of course Blu-ray IS high-def DVD, but I know what you mean.
When I was at GC it was a decision point, whether to invest in both or one (which meant guessing), when they were both competing. So we just bought a few of each and saw how they did. Then when BR “won” invested in more of those. It was like VHS vs Beta all over again, except in this case both formats were very close to the same.

you just...

bought several hd-dvd AND blu ray players? I don’t get why.

GreenCine

the company he worked for

my grandparents had Beta back int he day and I was so confused by it all

I had a beta player through high school

i found an abandoned VCR that did both PAL and NTSC and a whole lot of other magic. oh living in harvard square was awesome and weird.

Raises hand

My dad bought a beta machine in 1982 or so. “It is the better technology!” he insisted. We were able to rent movies for a while, and then not anymore, until he finally bit the bullet and bought a VHS machine in, oh, I’m gonna say, 1991.

he was right

but sometimes right does not make might

He inherited the wind.

I inherited a beta player.

(None of which I mean literally. Dad’s still alive, thank goodness.)

Reggie Miller on TMZ

“Bruins for life, Angels for life”

no love for Pacers?

/shows up at Miller Park (not named for him) wearing Brewers gear

Darrell played for them.

The Dugout: Who Can Make Me Vomit First, Taco Bell Or Brian Wilson

Funny satire of those stupid Brian Wilson Taco Bell ads.
http://withleather.uproxx.com/2011/10/the-dugout-who-can-make-me-vomit-first-taco-bell-or-brian-wilson

sleeper cell

anyone seen this? worth watching?

Fuuuuuck.

Just found out horrible news about my uncle (well my uncle’s partner, but I figure I might as well just call him my uncle). He already has AIDS and now he is undergoing chemo for colon cancer. He’s a huge fan of all the sports teams in Detroit so I was really happy for him that the Tigers won… even if it is a tiny thing, it’s SOMETHING.

Anyway, bad news.

wow

that’s awful.

Sorry, man. Hope things go OK for him. Go Tigers, and go Lions.

Go large predatory cat teams based in Detroit!

Nice that he has a nephew like you – that counts

Best hopes to the entire family

Thanks.

They’re basically my favorite uncles. I housesit for them when they go on vacation and they’re always really good to me. Hope he can get through this.

Terrible news. Best wishes.

i'll be sending out

positive vibes

Tough news. I imagine chemo is tough enough without the additional issue. Best of luck to them, and you.

I’ll just go ahead and use this reply to say thanks to all for the well-wishes. And if you were on the fence on whether to cheer for the Rangers or Tigers, hope this pushes you towards the Tigers.

damn, that's horrible

There’s some good reason now to hope for a Tigers Championship then.

dave young will find this hilarious

at the very least: http://blackboardsinporn.blogspot.com/

That’s like Nicholson Baker writing on the libraries in the backgrounds of furniture catalogs.

It is a hilarious concept

But after reading a couple, I’m not sure that it makes for a series of entries that I would continue to monitor.

On a less serious front, this Boston Globe article on the Red Sox is pretty insane.

Instead, Boston’s three elite starters went soft, their pitching as anemic as their work ethic. The indifference of Beckett, Lester, and Lackey in a time of crisis can be seen in what team sources say became their habit of drinking beer, eating fast-food fried chicken, and playing video games in the clubhouse during games while their teammates tried to salvage a once-promising season.
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The story of Boston’s lost September unfolds in part as an indictment of the three prized starters. But the epic flop of 2011 had many faces: a lame-duck manager, coping with personal issues, whose team partly tuned him out; stars who failed to lead; players who turned lackluster and self-interested; a general manager responsible for fruitless roster decisions; owners who approved unrewarding free agent spending and missed some warning signs that their $161 million club was deteriorating.

Damn it I want some fried chicken right now

amen to that

bad fried chicken is better than bad sportswriting

I’m not sure what is my favorite part. But this is in the running:

Drinking beer in the Sox clubhouse is permissible. So is ordering take-out chicken and biscuits. Playing video games on one of the clubhouse’s flat-screen televisions is OK, too. But for the Sox pitching trio to do all three during games, rather than show solidarity with their teammates in the dugout, violated an unwritten rule that players support each other, especially in times of crisis.
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Sources said Beckett, Lester, and Lackey, who were joined at times by Buchholz, began the practice late in 2010. The pitchers not only continued the routine this year, sources said, but they joined a number of teammates in cutting back on their exercise regimens despite appeals from the team’s strength and conditioning coach Dave Page.

violated an unwritten rule that players support each other, especially in times of crisis.

My favorite baseball word, which I often use while playing, but rarely anywhere else

Horseshit

Reached for comment, Colonel Sanders said, “Our product was, is, and shall always remain, finger-lickin’ good.”
“Good for lickin’ other things too if I have something to say about it!”

-Pedro Guerrero

reminds of the stuff about manny hitting the showers early in 09 nlcs

Sounds like Simers

Nah, lacks childish nicknames and boorish tone.

If its an unwritten rule, how does this guy know it?

He’s an unwriter.

It’s not an unspoken rule?

Indeed

Nah, lacks childish nicknames and boorish tone.

“went soft”?? you think that from the Herald, not the Globe!

The writing in the article is hilariously bad. I can’t believe any editor for a major newspaper in the United States, even in the sports section, let the tone get through.

No objectivity at all.

But, hey, fuck the Red Sox.

I haven't read it yet

But judging only from the two paragraphs you pulled, my initial reaction is this: excessive hand-wringing sells more papers than a two-word column that says only “shit happens.”

I get it

but it still makes me feel shame, every now and then, for being a sports fan

This article is full of shitty reporting goodness
As Hurricane Irene barreled toward Boston in late August, management proposed moving up the Sunday finale of a weekend series against Oakland so the teams could play a day-night doubleheader either Friday, Aug. 26, or Saturday, Aug. 27. The reasoning seemed sound: the teams would avoid a Sunday rainout and the dilemma of finding a mutual makeup date for teams separated by 2,700 miles.

But numerous Sox players angrily protested. They returned early that Friday from Texas after a demanding stretch in which they had played 14 of 17 games on the road, with additional stops in Minneapolis, Seattle, and Kansas City. The players accused management of caring more about making money than winning, which marked the first time the team’s top executives sensed serious trouble brewing in the clubhouse.

As it turned out, the Sox swept the Saturday doubleheader, but that stormy day marked the beginning of the end for the 2011 team.

Lookee here! I found the moment when It All Went Wrong: the day the Red Sox swept a double-header! JUST IMAGINE WHAT A SIGN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF THEY’D LOST BOTH THOSE GAMES JUST IMAGINE JUST IMAGINE

As I said before, the article is very, very badly written.

But there is enough stuff in there to make a good story, if only a writer with any journalistic integrity had wrote it. Too bad those are in very short supply when it comes to writing about sports these days.

hey

at least the fucker was able to write a god damn paragraph.

rather than just writing single lined sentences.

a true american hero.

chad billingsley, headcase. trade matt kemp.

another award winning article.

There is juicy stuff in there, I guess, but I still think the Sox collapse can be chalked up to shit happening. It’s no fun, and it’s not a great story.

But this is something that annoys me in my daily life, so maybe you can’t listen to me. People say “Everything happens for a reason.” I disagree entirely. It is my opinion that most of the time, things happen for no reason whatsoever. Until I get a better article, I’m gonna assume that the Sox collapse fits that latter category.

the cutting back their workouts

sounds like something that could have had a direct influince on a late season collapse.

Except if they’d held on and won two more games, nobody would be talking about a collapse, or, if they were, they’d say how unorthodox strategies like cutting back their workouts led to a loose clubhouse and avoided ignominy.

Shit happened. It sucks if you’re a Red Sox fan.

their record was absolutely attrocious

their pitching was abysmal. Its not like they played OK and another team just played better, they where utterly shit.

Yeah. They were. It happens. It might have been avoided if they’d made some different moves down the stretch, just like the Phillies’ and Mets’ (and Dodgers’!) famous collapses in years past probably could have been avoided if different little tweaky moves had been made here and there.

But I find it hard to believe that something changed between August 31 and September 1. The team started playing shitty — just like they played in April. That is who they were, a team that sometimes clicked like the best team in baseball and others couldn’t win a game to save their lives. Did they suddenly start drinking beer, eating fried chicken, and playing video games more in September than they did in May, June, July, and August? If not, why is that the cause for their poor play?

I do believe that leadership means something, but this article attributes leadership to some things that I think mean nothing and it claims they mean everything.

you are focusing on the beer and chicken

I’m focusing on the last year+ of them cutting back their workouts which could leave them in worse shape to wear a very long season and cause them to be less capable of lasting the entire season, thus causing them to play poorer in September. Its not the whole reason, but if you think players cutting back their conditioning isn’t news in sports, I don’t know what to tell you.

sports page forensics are like….

aw, fuckit

My new take (changes every five minutes!) is basically what nolander said. A series of season-long problems with some players that no one cared about until the Red Sox started losing.

when your strength and conditioning coach thinks its a problem

its not something just manufactured by the journalist

No, but that bit — that several players slacked off their conditioning — is lost in a story that discusses beer and chicken, alleges that Terry Francona has a drug problem and is consumed by concerns for his family’s safety, calls Adrian Gonzalez a whiny crybaby, calls Jason Varitek the same, says Ortiz and Youkilis had basically checked out, and, weirdly, calls out Tim Wakefield for making his starts.

The point of this article is not to make news or try to figure out why the Red Sox collapses. The point of this article is to chronicle the second guessing and finger pointing. There may be a real reason for the collapse in there, but the reporter didn’t do the heavy lifting of objective reporting to find it. He called people and wrote down what they said, and printed it in the paper.

Also, he seemingly had a reason in mind before calling everyone and wrote the article around that.

they just love playing it up

for the dramatics

its basically a plaschke piece

bunch of stupid narratives to make you think they were the cause for their failure.

I re-read the piece. I think that it has some good reporting but the reporter got spun by a few people about what the Real Cause of the Collapse was. Playing up moments (like what you quoted) that really weren’t all that important.

If I was writing the piece, I would have looked at the lack of work ethic more than random player insurrection stuff.

Also, I can’t help but think that if the pitchers were not in the dugout all season and instead drunkenly playing Mario Kart, the writers would have heard about it — and should have wrote about it then.

Sports journalism is weird.

professionals don’t need pitchers to be cheerleaders

guys have been eating chicken on their off day since trains were the mode of transport

this is not little league

Yeah, but have you ever not seen Kershaw/Bills/Lilly/Kuroda sitting in a line in the front of the dugout?

Our guys watch our games, even when they’re not playing.

I love Boston sports media.

FTFM
I love Boston sports media.
"We play too many night games on getaway days and get into places at 4 in the morning,’’ Gonzalez complained. "This has been my toughest season physically because of that.’’

Blaming five stressful nights over a six-month season for a tough year smacked of the self-interest that is uncommon among leaders of championship-caliber teams.

Yo, Adrian! I hear you’re gonna be around for six or sumpin’ or years! Well, guess what! FUCK YOU, that’s what! Haw haw haw haw! (pukes)

its like the writer never had a really shitty night of sleep

and then had trouble catching up for a couple days. Hell I’m doing that now and I don’t play sports, I sit at a desk all day.

If you play a late game in the central time zone then have to head back to Boston for a game the next day, that’s less sleep. Don’t have to worry about that in San Diego, right?

Or am I fucking up the whole time zone thing?

I do think that Gonzalez’s complaint is BS, but just thinking outside the box here. Because I like being the devil’s advocate.

“Call me dad.”
-Al Pacino

At first I thought he was complaining about night games in Boston before a road trip, but I can imagine teams not wanting to schedule Boston (and the Yankees) for day games since they get a nice gate boost from them. San Diego on a getaway day, day game not such a big deal.

That said, I bet Boston travels a heck of lot less miles in a season than San Diego.

Yeah, but if a game in, say, Tampa Bay ends at 11:00, that’s still 11:00 Boston time.

If a game in Miami ends at 11:00, that’s 8:00 for the team on the west coast.

Only think I could think A-Gon and his weird facial hair (those eyebrows!!) was talking about.

Oh, and if you are on Twitter and not following @OldHossRadbourn, do so now. I mean, now.

I’m not sure why, but I’m going to stand up for the writer(s) of this article. It doesn’t specifically choose a scapegoat (or, for that matter, scapegoats), but speaks to the point that the problems cannot simply be solved by dumping Tito, or Theo, or one or two problem players. The rhetoric is low-key, even though there is some regrettable adjective usage. The main problem I’d have is that the article’s thesis would be “There’s plenty of blame to go around. Except Dustin Pedroia, he’s wicked great!”

I’ve got to go to bed, but I’ll be interested to see where this thread goes in the morning. You know where I stand:

the problems cannot simply be solved by dumping Tito, or Theo, or one or two problem players.

Unless it’s just something that happened. Yes, I know the Sox’s collapse is historically bad, but I still think that if the Red Sox had won an insignificant number of games more than they did, nobody would be talking about “the Red Sox problems,” and that it’s not exactly true that they played great all season only to collapse at the end. I still think that things happen for no reason. If you say that seeds were sown that were reaped in September, well, OK — but I stand by this: just because things didn’t go their way doesn’t mean that something meant wrong. It MIGHT mean that, but this article is a long way from showing that, in my opinion.

one thing I think this article does

is remove any 2nd thoughts from Theo Epstein’s mind about taking the Cubs job

Way to go Tigers

hmmm – not sure who I am rooting for in both of tomorrow’s games yet.

Looks like I am a

Cardinals fan tomorrow and hoping for some pitching duels.

38 of 48 exit interviews now complete

The bullpen comes tomorrow morning.

Outfield is next, and will complete the players portion.

I forgot, there will be a coaches portion too, but I’m not sure how many I will do. Let’s say 38 of 51 or 52 exit interviews now complete.

I can’t wait to read what you have to say about Flippo.

Those 2,000 words really write themselves.

Do you think when he was a kid, he used to watch Mark Cresse (or better yet, Todd? Maulding) and think, “Someday?”

“You know, I want one of those jackets, with my name on it.”

From Tim Brown
V-Mart from ALCS: “The only way I don’t play tomorrow is if I wake up and I’m dead.”

Wakes up dead. Interesting. He’d probably still be better than Ryan Theriot.

Number 1

Why didn’t he name the chicken place that delivers to Fenway. Number 2, all those words a nary a mention of J.D. Drew. Number 3, at least Darnell McDonald got some headphones. Number 4, did they invite Eric Bedard to join in the chicken and beer fest.

Number 5, is it such a regular thing that it has a name?

Number 6, when one of them is pitching do the other two guys still have the beer and chix fiesta

Number 7, are the other guys, pitchers who don’t join in, better people? not likers of Chicken, video games, and/or beer? or were they not invited?

I can go all day

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