Here is the 8th part of my Dodger minor league rankings heading into the 2012 season. As we get closer to the halfway point, I'm sure the names will become more and more familiar. This particular group of players has some real wildcards in it, including three 2011 draftees who all seem to have a strong fastball. There are also a few guys signed as international free agents who could be big movers (either up or down) after the upcoming season.
130. Garrett Bolt, RHP (8.1 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 23rd round
6’4”, 215 lbs, 22.5 years old
0-2, 6.48 ERA, 2.04 WHIP, 4.88 FIP, 14.04 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Garrett Bolt grew up just a half hour away from where the Great Lakes Loons play. He watched Clayton Kershaw pitch for the Loons in 2007, and shortly after he set his high school’s record with 122 strikeouts in a single season. After graduating Bolt attended Muskegon CC where he had an outstanding season in 2010 (1.19 ERA, 35 K's in 29.1 innings). Upon transferring to Western Illinois, however, things didn’t go so well for Garrett as he threw 17 innings and had an 11.65 ERA with just 10 K's. The Dodgers didn’t mind his ugly stats because they knew he had a 95 mph fastball and a good slider, so they decided to select Bolt in the 23rd round of the 2011 draft. After the draft, Garrett said “It would be pretty awesome (to pitch for the Loons), because everyone from around my hometown could come watch. (Being drafted) is a step closer to what I've always wanted to do." Bolt signed quickly and threw 9 games out of the Arizona Dodgers bullpen before getting shut down for the season in mid July. In his limited professional debut Garrett was a bit wild, but he posted great strikeout numbers. I love Bolt’s size, and with his mid 90’s fastball it appears that he could move quickly through the system. A move to the Loons bullpen in 2012 isn’t out of the question, although he’ll probably start the year in extended spring training since he saw such limited action last season.
129. Jordan Roberts, LHP (71.1 IP in HiA in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2008, 28th round
6’2”, 200 lbs, 26.25 years old
7-4, 3.03 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 3.28 FIP, 7.32 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 129; Pre 2010 Rank: 152; Pre 2009 Rank: 150
Jordan Roberts was a first team All-American out of the NAIA college Embry-Riddle in Florida and was selected by the Dodgers in the 28th round of the 2008 draft. In his senior season at Embry-Riddle, Roberts finished the year 12th in the NAIA in ERA (1.94) and ranked 24th in K/9. His professional debut in 2008 was a little rocky, but since then Jordan has been very good. He had a 2.70 ERA and .216 batting average against with the Ogden Raptors in 2009, then as a follow up he posted a 2.95 ERA with the Loons in 2010. In 2011 Roberts spent the year in the California League and again had a great season with a 3.03 ERA through 71.1 innings. He was one of the Quakes most effective relievers, and despite his unattractive strikeout rate he posted a solid FIP of 3.28. At the end of the day I’m not sure how hard Roberts throws or what types of pitches he has, but he’s been solid so far in his professional career and he’s poised to make a move to AA. The 26 year old lefty may never make it up to the big leagues, but he should be a solid organizational talent over the next few years.
Follow the jump for #'s 128 - 121

128. Michael Thomas, LHP (13.2 IP in Pioneer Lg, 21.2 IP in Arz Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 35th round
6’2”, 185 lbs, 23 years old
2-3, 4.58 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, 3.06 FIP, 12.23 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
When the Dodgers drafted Michael Thomas in the 35th round of the 2011 draft, they may or may not have known that he already had a connection to the organization. You see Mike’s grandfather, George Thomas, was a teammate of Tommy Lasorda way back in 1950 when they were both members of the Montreal Royals. That team was managed my Walter Alston, and the team finished 2nd in the International League that season. For his career, George Thomas played 7 minor league seasons and finished his career with a 4.45 ERA. Getting back to Michael, the left hander spent four seasons at Rider University and he left there as their all time leader in wins and strikeouts. He had a career 3.53 ERA in college, but really thrived as a senior when he went 9 – 3 with a 2.34 ERA and 92 K’s in 96 innings. Thomas signed quickly with the Dodgers and made his professional debut in the Arizona Rookie League. At 22 years old he may have been a little old for the league, but was pretty dominant in his 4 starts and 8 relief appearances with a 2.49 ERA, a 1.78 FIP, and a K/9 of 14.1. That earned Thomas a promotion to Ogden for the final month of the season, but he struggled with the Raptors and posted a 7.90 ERA over 13.2 frames. I’m not too concerned about Michael’s performance in the Pioneer League because he’d already pitched a full college season, so I’m sure he was fatigued as the year was coming to a close. Heading into 2012 I wouldn’t be surprised if Thomas got a chance to play for the Loons given his age and experience, and based on what I’ve read and seen so far I think he could be a bit of a steal as a 35th round pick.
127. Francisco Villa, RHP (15 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers before the 2011 season
6’0”, 194 lbs, 20 years old
1-1, 7.80 ERA, 1.93 WHIP, 4.33 FIP, 9.00 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
The Dodgers signed Francisco Villa out of Mexico as an 18 year old, giving him a bonus of $80K. I couldn’t find any scouting reports on him, however, so he’s a bit of a mystery to me outside of what I see on his player page. Francisco turned 19 on April 1st, and then made his professional debut in the Arizona Rookie League where he spent the season in the Dodgers bullpen. He had a tough season as he recorded a 7.80 ERA over 11 appearances and had a .348 batting average against, but one positive was that he struck out a batter per inning. In addition, he is still very young so that gives me some hope that he’ll improve as he gets older. Heading into 2012 Villa will probably return to Arizona for another year of Rookie ball, especially since he only has 15 professional innings under his belt.
126. Freddie Cabrera, RHP (10.2 IP in HiA, 21.1 IP in Pioneer Lg, 15 IP in Arz Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 26th round
6’5”, 210 lbs, 22 years old
2-2, 5.94 ERA, 1.55 WHIP, 5.18 FIP, 6.89 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
A Puerto Rican native, Cabrera played at his college ball at NAIA school Central Methodist and as a junior he went 6 - 4 with a 3.06 ERA through 82.1 innings. Rumor has it that he as a 95 mph fastball, so the Dodgers selected him in the 26th round of the 2011 draft. Freddie started his professional career in the Arizona Rookie League, but then received a surprise promotion to the Rancho Cucamonga Quakes in July. Cabrera had a tough time in the California League, however, and eventually ended the year in the Pioneer Rookie League. His overall stats were relatively unimpressive, but a mid 90’s fastball and a solid pitching frame give me hope that he has future as a Dodger prospect. In addition, he played ball in the Puerto Rican Winter League this offseason and threw very well with a 2.63 ERA over 24 innings with a .220 batting average against. My guess is that Cabrera will start the 2012 season with Great Lakes where he’ll get a shot in the Loons starting rotation.
125. Josmar Cordero, C (42 games in DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 3/10/10
5’10, 175 lbs, 20.5 years old, bats right handed
.283 average, .779 OPS, 2 HR’s, 20 RBI’s, 4 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 156; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Josmar Cordero was signed out of Venezuela prior to the 2010 season, and had a very solid professional debut. Cordero built upon that success in 2011 as he improved virtually all of his offensive stats, increasing his average from .255 to .283 and his OPS from .705 to .779. For the second consecutive season he also showed strong defensive abilities behind the plate, and was praised by Baseball America for his solid “catch-and-throw skills” in their 2010 international signee roundup. Given his age and success in the DSL over the past two seasons, I definitely expect Cordero to make the jump to the Arizona Rookie League in 2012. A good season there could really put him on the map as a legitimate Dodger prospect.
124. Carlos De Aza, RHP (33.1 IP in Pioneer Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 10/24/07
6’3”, 178 lbs, 22 years old
2-2, 7.02 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, 4.61 FIP, 6.75 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 94; Pre 2010 Rank: 67; Pre 2009 Rank: 127
In his professional debut in 2008, De Aza was awful in the DSL as he posted a 6.53 ERA and 2.08 WHIP. Then in 2009 Carlos completely turned things around as he recorded a 1.30 ERA through 27.2 innings and allowed batters to hit just .149 against him. His stellar 2009 season earned De Aza a promotion to the Arizona League in 2010, but he had a rude awaking as he got dominated by the more advanced competition to the tune of a 7.13 ERA. Despite his ugly stats, the Dodgers decided to promote De Aza again in 2011 as he found himself in the Ogden Raptor’s bullpen. Unfortunately De Aza again struggled in his new environment as his ERA was over 7 for the second straight season. He does have a good pitching frame and he did show some improvement year over year as he lowered his WHIP and FIP from 2010 to 2011, but overall De Aza mostly seems lost. Heading into 2012 Carlos will be just 22 years old so he still has time to improve, and I’m sure he’ll return to the Pioneer League where he’ll try and produce some better results.
123. Enlly Morales, 2B (25 games in Pioneer Lg, 3 games in Arz Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 10/12/07
5’11”, 168 lbs, 22.5 years old, bats right handed
.264 average, .639 OPS, 0 HR’s, 10 RBI’s, 1 SB
Pre 2011 Rank: 91; Pre 2010 Rank: 73; Pre 2009 Rank: 91
Signed after the 2007 season as an international free agent, Enlly Morales had a strong professional debut in the Dominican Summer League in 2008 and then was even better in the DSL in 2009. That earned Morales a promotion to the Arizona Rookie League in 2010, but since coming to the US he’s been quite unimpressive. Over the past two seasons he’s accumulated 153 at bats in Arizona and 77 at bats with the Ogden Raptors, but has just 11 total extra base hits (all doubles). That led to a combined OPS of about .630, which just isn’t going to cut it. He also doesn’t have much defensive value as a 2nd baseman, so at this point he’s probably lost most of his value as a potential prospect. I’m sure he’ll stick around for a few more seasons since he is still just 22 years old, but unless he really catches fire in 2012 he’ll be nothing more than an organizational player.
122. Steve Smith, RHP (69.1 IP in HiA in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers before the 2008 season
6’2”, 210 lbs, 25.75 years old
5-5, 3.63 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 3.78 FIP, 7.66 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 124; Pre 2010 Rank: 141; Pre 2009 Rank: 160
Steve Smith was signed by the Dodgers in 2008 as a non drafted free agent out of the University of New Mexico, where he was a teammate of fellow Dodger minor leaguer Brian Cavazos-Galvez. He wasn’t overly impressive during his senior season with the Lobos, posting a 5.01 ERA and 58 strikeouts in just under 74 innings, but the Dodgers decided to give Smith a chance anyways. Smith struggled in his 2008 professional debut, but he has dramatically turned things around ever since. He spent two seasons in Great Lakes and was one of the Loons most effective bullpen arms, posting a 2.67 ERA in 67.1 innings in 2009 and a 2.69 ERA in 73.2 innings in 2010. That earned Smith a promotion to the Quakes in 2011 where he again served as an important bullpen arm. Smith was used mostly as a late inning reliever for Rancho Cucamonga and collected 9 saves throughout the course of the season. His strikeout rate wasn’t great, but he had a decent ERA and FIP and was surprisingly effective against left handed hitters who batted just .203 against hin for the year. I remember watching Smith pitch live at a Quakes game last season, but I don’t remember his velocity or types of pitches. Heading into 2012 he could receive another promotion to AA, but at 25 years old I’m not sure that he has the stuff to ever make it to the show.
121. Andrew Pevsner, LHP (42.1 IP in LoA in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2010, 16th round
6’3”, 205 lbs, 23.5 years old
1-1, 4.25 ERA, 1.72 WHIP, 5.23 FIP, 7.23 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 96; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Andrew Pevsner is a southern California native, and as you’ve probably heard by now he was born on the day that Kirk Gibson hit his famous World Series home run. Coming out of high school Pevsner didn’t get a lot of attention from Division I colleges, so he decided to go to the Division III Johns Hopkins University because it has strong academics and a respectable baseball program. As a freshman he only threw about 80 mph, but a workout regiment increased his velocity to the upper 80’s by the time he graduated. As a senior in 2010 Andrew had a 4.17 ERA, but struck out over a batter per inning and only allowed a .209 batting average against. He wasn’t really sure he’d get drafted, so he was surprised to get picked relatively early in the 16th round. After the draft he said “It was literally a dream come true. I think it took me about 48 hours for my heart to slow down and to stop shaking.” Pevsner made his professional debut in the Pioneer League where he had a very good season in terms of ERA (1.91). However he struggled a little with control and allowed a few homers during the season, which is why his FIP in 2010 was 4.26. After the season Pevsner said his goal was to make a full season league out of spring training, and that’s what happened as he spent 2011 in the Loons bullpen. Unfortunately “Pevs” struggled against the more advanced competition as his strikeout numbers dropped and his walk rate increased leading to a very high WHIP. I’m guessing his lack of velocity also contributed to his less than stellar season. Last year I speculated that Pevsner could eventually develop into a left handed specialist, but opposing lefties hit .281 against him last season so at least for the moment that seems unlikely. In 2012 Andrew will almost certainly spend another season in class A, I’m just not sure if he’ll be back with the Loons or if he’ll play with the Quakes instead.
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Ethier for $10.95M
Per his agency
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
hawksworth made a lot of people angry on twitter
but I don’t know why
nolander - January 17, 2012
Made comments that would be against the rules of this blog.
Michael White - January 17, 2012
I’ll give you a hint: it won’t be discussed here
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
perhaps my comment should cease to be?
nolander - January 17, 2012
Nah, it’s cool.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
ah I figured it out
its religion/politics
nolander - January 17, 2012
Does it have anything to do with Erin Hawksworth?
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
If it does it would dissapoint you
nolander - January 17, 2012
And he retweeted from G. But must have deleted his offending tweet.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
I’m not big on the tweet lingo but when you say
goes that mean God was originator of the tweet or is there someone else so big they go by G?Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
scotty boy
nolander - January 17, 2012
G.Scott
Nolij - January 17, 2012
G. Scott
Michael White - January 17, 2012
Mr. Maddz.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
also rec’d.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
ah, so the answer is yes
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
rec’d
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
So when I tweet my normal awesome tweets, you all say P tweeted the shit out of that?
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Is your handle P Gurnee?
nolander - January 17, 2012
I’ve called it many names but that is none of your business
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
it took me a couple reads to find this hilarious
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
There are two types of men
Those who name their dicks and those who don’t admit it
mleadman - January 17, 2012
I taken to calling it the Kershaw but my wife insists on calling it the Lilly
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
So you should avoid day "games"
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
Could be worse. Bride calls mine the Padilla Soap Bubble.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Time for Xeifrank to chime in a say we have hit a new low
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Sadly that’s what mine has been called.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
This is not worse than when we talked about shitting.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Not the Hebrew Hammer?
mleadman - January 17, 2012
Is that better or worse than being called Jamey Carroll cause it’s small and gritty?
Nolij - January 17, 2012
At least that’s a slap hitter.
David Young - January 17, 2012
what's the problem there?
I would rather call mine something associated with home runs rather than something associated with strikeouts.
David Young - January 17, 2012
Kid K has a nice ring to it.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Your sn starts with “Phil.” G. Scott’s starts with “G.”
Nolij - January 17, 2012
he tweeted something, i responded with a dissenting opinion, he retweeted me but did not respond, some other people responded to me, i responded to them, he deleted both his original tweet and the retweet of me. Then I unfollowed him. It’s really pretty simple and clear.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Mr. Bolt has my interest.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
You (in)sane?
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
From Andrew Fisher of Purple Row
Headline fail. Haha:
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
haha
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Enily Morales is why I will not pay any attention to what happens in the DSL.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Yes Josie I would
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
It doesn’t matter if we would. It also doesn’t matter if the new owner would.
Paul DePodesta is not about to subject himself, his family, and his team/organization to a repeat of the experience he had last time he was here.
He may GM again, but it will be in some other town. When he is successful, TJ Simers and Bill Plaschke will talk about “a different DePodesta who learned his lessons in LA.”
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Pretty much this.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Never say never Humma. New ownership all the old rules are out the window, they will want to bring in the best GM money can buy, they won’t give a shit about TJ Simers or Bill Plashke. The odds are long but I’ve seen worse questions asked. Every day.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Okay, I probably have not seen worse questions asked, but I wanted to answer this one. Better then asking which pinstripe you like
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Oh sure. Me too. Mostly asked by me.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
You can’t always take that road. You never ask questions.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
True or False: Humma never asks questions.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Lincecum
per Hank Schulman:
Giants offered $17m
Timmy wants $23m
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Does Timmy know he’s a pitcher on the downside of his career:)
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
He mostly knows that he really likes Funjuns.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
and frozen Unos.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
he gonna get paid
nolander - January 17, 2012
I need Kershaw's figures
ASAP
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Just so I could be wrong again, I tweeted a guess of $10.5m/$7.5m for Kershaw’s figures.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
And then it’s settled at $9M I suppose
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
He’ll get $7.5m in the first year of a long-term deal, with a $500k signing bonus :)
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
$10m/$6.5 per Heyman
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
I’m feeling better about my guess now.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Oh shit
Hendricks brothers done fucked up here…
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Wouldn’t surprise me if they won. All they have to do is argue Kershaw is worth at least $8,250,001.
But I think they settle.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
That midpoint is right on the line where it wouldn’t surprise me if they settle. Something like 2/20, with 7 this year and 13 next? I don’t know if that’s too big a raise or not — trying to backload it, as is the Dodgers’ wont.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Agreed.
It is such that I wouldn’t be surprised if either side won an arbitration hearing, but the gap is too wide for them not to settle IMO.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
No two year deals, please.
Dodgers filed too low, Hendricks filed too high.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Midpoint of $8.25? Way I understand it, all the Dodgers have to do is convince the arbitrator that he’s worth less than the midpoint and they win. I think they just might be able to do that.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
So, numbers should be coming out for Kershaw soon
Or are these numbers only leaked, not explicitly made available to the press?
Michael White - January 17, 2012
Sort of leaked I suppose, but the AP usually gets them through sources, and agents seem to want to release it.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Heyman says Lincecum filed at $21.5 million. Discrepancy!
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
We’re gonna need a bigger bridge.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Villa seems to have procured a pretty nice bonus for himself. I’d have to think he can bring some heat.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
trying to follow a conversation on twitter can be almost impossible
nolander - January 17, 2012
maybe tweetdeck is better at it
then the official site
nolander - January 17, 2012
Official site blows hard
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
but extensions don't work in incognito mooooooooooooooode
nolander - January 17, 2012
Someone with the name Garrett Bolt should be a star
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
Brandon rules
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Ned on 710
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Here is the link to listen
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/play?s=la
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Ned is on now
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
It’s pretty amazing how many guys are getting drafted in the mid-late rounds who throw 95. Not even 10 years ago guys like that would be millionairres drafted in the top 2 rounds regardless of anything but a radar gun reading.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
F U Bill Bene.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
More like, it’s amazing how many more guys throw 95 now than a decade ago. The scientific approach to mechanics, year round play and detailed training programs are pretty incredible.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
And more scouting techniques available to find these guys.
Taylor Maricle - January 17, 2012
nah, the scouting when it comes to guys like that has been the same for forever
“Hey, my kid throws 90+. I should get him checked out” /calls high school coach
“Hey, high school coach, mind taking a look at my kid. He throws over 90” “sure.” /calls local college coach buddy and local scout
“Hey, I just heard about a kid with a live arm. Want to put together a workout?” “Sure.” “Sure.”
/Kid throws 90. Gets scholarship offer, waits for draft position. If draft position bonus > scholarship intrinsic value + extrinsic value, goes to pros.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
You keep saying that, we keep disagreeing
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
I’m okay with that, Phil.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Top of the line defuser comment. Others?
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
How about:
Clink!
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Okay
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
this thread sucks, but whatever
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
No, that is agitating, especially the whatever
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
You can be long all night wrong, I no longer give a fuck
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you’re looking for
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
sir
While I disagree with what you say I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
at the end of the day we’re bunch of intolerable know it all fucks, aren’t we?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
That’s one way of looking at :)
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Finks.
David Young - January 17, 2012
A kid I grew up topped out mid-90s and was drafted by the Astros in the first round. It’s too bad he blew out his arm and never got only got a sniff of AA.
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
I’m not sure any team has accumulated more bleh pitching then the Rockies since the trading deadline. It is like they asked for the muddled masses of mediocrity
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Pomeranz rules the Earth amirite?
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
I think it would be better if we wrote this
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Context free comment I made to myself
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
loney drives in runs!
runs I tell you!
nolander - January 17, 2012
Ned pimping RBIs hard.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
better than John Ireland, not knowing how the arbitration process works.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
what do you expect from a Leprechaun?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
less forehead, more green.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
These are not the droids you are looking for
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Ned will not trade Kemp or Kershaw
for anyone in MLB
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
if they have so much leadership
why so much PVL
nolander - January 17, 2012
The veterans on this team
are complimentary players
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
Basically
they are good clubhouse guys.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
Simply bring back Casey Blake
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
I like working with good people rather than dicks
I try to hire people who are good to work with rather than dicks
Call me Ned
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Maybe you should try hiring talented dicks and see if you have a better return
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
I know just the guy ☺
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
ha ha
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
I appreciate it but I'm already...
no wait he said talented didn’t he
nolander - January 17, 2012
Yeah, we are all dicks in a pond, but only a few have the talent to go upstream
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Can't really blame him
since I said last year that if you were going full rebuild, you needed to think about dealing them since no one else team was going to bring you back much.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
He wouldnt trade for anyone 1 for 1….. But yeah thats easy question.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Ned likes leadership
nolander - January 17, 2012
if he likes it so much why doesn’t he marry it
/3rd grade
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
hahaha
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Too many leaders spoil the broth or something.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
I think you are talking about too many Native American leaders and not enough Native American non-leaders
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
ireland or the other guy really like cap and harang
nolander - January 17, 2012
they are magically delicious!
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
these guys are morans
nolander - January 17, 2012
hey man, be nice, they are human, they got feelings too.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
I’m recing this
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
And green.
Grimjack - January 17, 2012
you are sweetness
Walter Payton’s ghost nods approvingly
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
since when?
nolander - January 17, 2012
Ned says budget was
$12 million this offseason.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Good thing he did not blow a bunch of it on a dime a dozen right hand hitting outfielder/1st baseman past his prime
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
“Don’t spend it all in one place”
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
If you spread it around just right, you can get multiple useless players instead of one good one
/justbeingsnarky
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
career years baby, lookin for those career years.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
I actually think Timmy
would lose that arbitration case
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
What pitchers are making more then 20Million per year?
CC
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Cliff Lee
Johan
Halladay is right at 20
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
hell teammate vbarry zito makes 18
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
peavy at 17.33, weaver at 17 now. Peavy will be paid 22mil in 2013.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
So those four?
I agree with Craig
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
The number to watch is $19.25 million, the midpoint.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
5 season, 2 cy youngs, 4 all stars, finished 6th and 10th in CYA voting the other years, world series winner, led the league in K’s 3 of 4 years, finished 5th in ERA last year. he made $15mil last year. It’s really a toss up.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
He made $13 million last year, or maybe $14 million if you count the $2 million signing bonus as $1 million each year.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
But that contract was way below market value.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
But it’s a market of one player. Lincecum is not a free agent. He just happens to occupy the nebulous special circumstances area that comes with two Cy Youngs in your first three years.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Right, but none of us actually know what happens in arb hearings so the case “Lincecum took way less money than he should have in 2011” might work really well.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
I always assumed it was whoever gave the arbitrator the most without it looking like a bribe and that while they may appear to be listening to both sides the mind is made up before the event happens.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
watch many movies?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Everything is greased is it not? Don’t you grease some your jobs? Laker Tickets? Whatever to make the client happy
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
I don’t grease, I will entertain, but I don’t and won’t grease
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
So, for the record, no lube?
Grimjack - January 17, 2012
Marlon Brando says butter’s better.
David Young - January 17, 2012
and this is the process of most RFPs
The vendor is chosen before the RFP goes out and then everyone spends tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars going through an elaborate charade when we all know what is going to happen
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
You cannot argue that point
You can only use what Lincecum has done and what comparable pitchers have done at his service time. Is that worth making over $20M prior to becoming a free agent.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
When was the last time a guy with two Cy Youngs went to 4th year arb?
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
When he hasn't gotten any CYs more recently
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
that’s silly
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Rabbit
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
It is
but he asked for a scenario and I’m giving him one. Though it is not to the point since its the same guy.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
Why, his last two years of production has clearly slid from his Cy Young level two years ago? The arbitrator may not care that his K/9 rate has dropped each yea, that his walk rate is going up, but they will care that he lost 14 games and only won 13.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
silly to think “yeah, we know you won those two cy young awards way back in 2008 and 2009, but what have you done for us lately?”
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Maybe, maybe not
Going off of fWAR (please feel free to let me know if this is true of his bWAR if anyone knows off hand) his value has nearly been sliced in half from the 2008-2009 to 2010-2011 seasons. He still has been putting up nice numbers, but that walk rate has gone up quite a bit, and his strikeout rate is still close to the top of the league, but not commanding like it used to be.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
I don’t doubt it, but I’ll restate my preference to look at rWAR for pitchers and fWAR for hitters.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
A good man.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
I’ll go check in a minute, but I prefer the WAR based off of FIP (although the glaring hole is it does not take hits into consideration) rather than the WAR based off of ERA or ERA+.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
So does Tim Leary, who was apparently better than Orel Hershiser in 1988.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
babip
nolander - January 17, 2012
Lincecum’s bWAR the last 4 seasons:
6.9
6.3
3.6
4.4
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
Just for fun, Kershaw the last 4 years
1.2
4.2
4.5
7.0
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
2012 – 9.5
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
could it be that the BBWAA, instead of voting for either Wainwright or Carpenter in 2009 or Brandon “Count The Wins” Webb in 2008, royally dicked the Giants?
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Thank you BBWAA!
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
Haven’t those two Cy-Young awards already been factored into his salary? The Giants would argue that he’s still gettting a significant raise from his Super Two arb reward.
Michael White - January 17, 2012
It’s hard to ask for comparables to a guy that got an unprecedented amount in his initial arb hearing.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
Another way to look at it, sort of reverse engineering it, is that there is a cap on whatever total salary he should earn. If the top salary for a pitcher is $25 million per (the extra years tacked onto CC’s contract), giving Lincecum $21.5 million in 2012 would only lead to a salary in 2013 (his fourth and final arb year) that would all but guarantee Lincecum to be the highest paid pitcher in baseball.
Would he deserve it? Maybe.
But the system is designed to hold down salaries prior to free agency, so the prevailing thought could be “Lincecum will certainly command a contract at the top of the market once he is eligible for free agency, but let’s have him go through the process first, just like everybody else.”
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
The other argument that could work well is “Carlos Zambrano holds the record for a third-time arb-eligible pitcher at $12.4 million. We think shattering that record by 37% ($17 million) is enough for our stud pitcher.”
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
b-r said $14mil and i did no extra research than that
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
It would help him more if his last two years were not merely above average instead of brilliant. Sub .500 record is not going to get him 23 Million from an arbitrator who has been taught how important wins are. Not seeing how he could win his case.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
It is apparently $21.5 million, not $23m
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
ah, thus the midpoint you mentioned.
If they see the arbitrator I’d probably bet on the Giants.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Educate me, please
Several of the guys on this list can throw hard. Clearly power by itself isn’t enough to be successful.
Kenley Jansen relies on power, and he’s had a lot of success in a hurry. What’s he doing that these other guys aren’t?
A second pitch?
Command?
Late movement?
Just Jake - January 17, 2012
yes
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
yes
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
he has developed good movement and tends to keep the ball down in the zone. also, he pounds the strike zone like it owes him chicken mcnuggets
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Mostly movement
Since he tends to throw down the middle a lot.
Taylor Maricle - January 17, 2012
at least it went from middle belt to middle knees
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
There is a reason why management in almost every instance of industry prefers
arbitration.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
Thanks Brandon
For doing all these prospect reviews.by the way.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
no problem
glad to get some fresh minor league names out there for everyone to discuss
Brandon Lennox - January 17, 2012
Cordero is going to break hearts.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Just as long as Scrapheat doesn’t come up soon
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
BH rocks
I’ve been to Jitlada twice since you tipped me off
Really good. Each time I went a member of our party ordered the Chef’s Challenge dish – it was so hot that the guy eating it was sweating, dripping snot, and crying non-stop….it was awesome
the normal food, like the Jungle Curry was still super hot, but tasty
it is now a favorite – I crave it
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Twice and you did call me
no worries, we shall rock it together. Did they get it with the pork, that dish is rocking.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
rock on, brother
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
I did think of asking Maddz and Marty if they wanted to eat lunch there yesterday
but to do it right, you need about 4 hours.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
so basically a NBC Universal type of lunch?
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Well
a Hollywood lunch
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
4 hours of non stop eating? im there!
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Sorry man – next time
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
have you ever looked at the career of John Ireland and wondered why?
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
every day
nolander - January 17, 2012
he has a TV voice and a radio face.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Brilliant
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
A teacher once said I had a radio voice. I don’t buy it.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Prove it
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
My ex has an uncle who I thought should have auditioned for the Dodgers PA announcer job when they switched guys a few years back. I think you should come out to TBLA Fight Night and do the announcing.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
He is
non-offensive generally and he got a great gig doing Laker games. Also Mason is a pretty good radio guy and they match up pretty well.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
on the other hand
McDonald makes it almost impossible for me to watch the Lakers
mleadman - January 17, 2012
Yeah I hate when he says Cash… everytime Gasol hits a jumper he says thats Cash for Gasol… I dont know why but I dont like it…. Sucks we lost Speiro…. Lakers have kinda gone all Dodgers lately as far as spending money… Yes I know they have the #1 payroll, but still.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Or he’ll say…. thats cash… money…. is he telling us that cash means money? Or is he trying to be Lil Wayne and say Cash Money??
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
I could be wrong
but Spero wanted the flexibility to do both his CBS gigs (NFL and NCAA basketball) and the Lakers wanted him to be exclusive during the season. I think Spero has aspirations to being a network announcer so that is one reason why he left.
As for the hiring of Ireland and McDonald, I only wonder if these are placeholders for when the TW deal goes in effect next year.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
He was expected to replace Joel Meyers as the team’s TV play-by-play announcer at the beginning of the 2011-2012 season, but instead signed a contract to do radio/TV play-by-play for the New York Knicks. You could be right about the flexibility thing… but I thought some rumors were that Knicks swung in last minute and offered more money, better deal… Ofcourse the better deal could be the flexibility thing.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
But seems like people felt if Lakers really wanted to keep him, they could have,… But who knows…. You are probably right about the placeholders comment, I sure hope anyways.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Mac has as much future with the Lakers as Murphy does.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Curt Schilling
Dragon Slayer
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
welcome to 2004
nolander - January 17, 2012
That was my first thought.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Freddie Cabrera
One day starter for the all Cabrera lineup?
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
in the VWL
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
3-year deal for Panda. No idea of the numbers
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
all three arb years
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
$100mil
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
what a difference a year makes for the fans of Panda and Kemp
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
2012, the year of CarGo!
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Andrew Baggarly has the details. Seems like a potential steal:
2012: $3.2 million
2013: $5.7 million
2014: $8.25 million
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Damn, Zimmerman shakes his head
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Defense
Twelve teams use the 3-4. How many use the 4-3? And is there any other primary defense besides these two?
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
no
so the answer is 20.
nolander - January 17, 2012
They run the 5-2 at some NCAA schools but that is very rare. When teams run traditional nickle and dime packages it turns the 4-3 into the 4-2 or 4-1. If you Run the Nickle or dime out of the 3-4 you might just end up with 3 down linemen and a lot of safeties and corners. Two strong safety / linebacker hybrids and 4 corners and one Free Safety.
Grimjack - January 17, 2012
Thanks. This is pretty confusing tho.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Think of the 5-2 as a veriant of the 3-4 but your OLB have less cover assignmnets and more pass rush and run support obligations. In this style of defense you don’t have much zone, the corners have to man up and the safeties are floating. Free to the side that they are doulbling and strong will help with the TE and in run support.
Grimjack - January 17, 2012
actually
many 3-4s transition to a 4 man front in nickel and dime packages, moving the OLB to DE.
nolander - January 17, 2012
True.
Grimjack - January 17, 2012
What about the “nickelback” defense: 3 × 3 × 5? Or, 4 × 2 × 5?
latenite - January 17, 2012
Thats not their base(silverwidow used primary but usually base is the term used)
defense. Depends on the team, but a lot of times you end up with 4 lineman as the primary rush backer will move to DE,and sometimes the other OLB too.
nolander - January 17, 2012
I would call that a 3-4 with a nickel package.
The only other (somewhat) common alignment would be a College 4-4 but like the name suggests, it’s mostly used in high school and college.
Michael White - January 17, 2012
I have seen some NCAA teams run a 3-3-5 as the base but that is due to an inability to recruit.
Grimjack - January 17, 2012
cough tcu cough
that and the spread
nolander - January 17, 2012
The Nickelback defense is solid, but unspectacular, but is widely ridiculed by everyone.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Outstanding
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Provided “long term” doesn’t mean 2-3 years…
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
We knew this.
It’s not like Colletti is going to say, “Nope. We don’t want to commit longer than one year to Kershaw.”
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
BCS Thoughts
in the office next to mine. I am taking notes. :)
Xeifrank - January 17, 2012
What are they saying?? Are you the one with the boss thats always talking sports with a coworker…. I need to work there,.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
What if he shines shoes?
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
best tips
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Then I guess ill go home and get my fuckin shine box…. im jk…. yeah I talk sports with my boss too, probably more so then we talk about work…. Luckily for me, we like all the same teams, except he likes the Rams.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Yeah, boss is a huge Packers fan and his office is next door to mine. So at the end of the day as people head out sometimes they chat up the Packers, but today one convo got side tracked in to BCS thoughts and about Miss Wisconsin/USA pimping for a date with Aaron Rodgers. Lunch room is always “sports thoughts”. You better like your sports or eat at your desk!
Xeifrank - January 17, 2012
We have a pretty strict sexual harrasment policy.
Xeifrank - January 17, 2012
dont worry, her ass meant nothing to me.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
on fire
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
no real buzz about Prince for the past few days
The suspense is terrible…….I hope it’ll last :)
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
Rangers or Nationals.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
I heard Kevin is looking forward to the new coach at UCLA
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
lol
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
Cole Hamels record arbitration award..
temporarily at least…$15mils
Joey Joe - January 17, 2012
Today is the deadline
to exchange numbers. Hamels and the Phils reached an agreement, did they not? Not an “arbitration award”.
David Young - January 17, 2012
Clippers are 1 – 41 at Utah, has to be a record of futility for any franchise. That will not change tonight.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
new post
http://www.truebluela.com/2012/1/17/2713906/clayton-kershaw-dodgers-salary-arbitration
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
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