Denis Poroy - Getty Images
10 months ago: SAN DIEGO, CA - AUGUST 3: Andre Ethier #16 of the Los Angeles Dodgers tosses his bat after striking out during the first inning of a baseball game against the San Diego Padres at Petco Park on August 3, 2011 in San Diego, California. (Photo by Denis Poroy/Getty Images)
The Dodgers avoided arbitration with Andre Ethier, signing him to a one-year deal worth $10.95 million, plus performance bonuses per his agency, CAA. Ethier made $9.25 million 2011 in the final year of a two-year, $15.25 million contract signed before the 2010 season.
Those performance bonuses for Ethier can total up to $50,000, per Tony Jackson of ESPN LA. Ethier gets $25,000 for 600 plate appearances, and $25,000 more for 625 plate appearances. Last week I guessed a 2012 salary of $13 million for Ethier. I was way off. It looks like Ted Lilly will be the highest paid Dodger in 2012.
Ethier's $10.95 salary in 2012 is the ninth highest single season salary by a Dodgers outfielder.
| Highest Single Season Salary, Dodgers Outfielders | ||||
| Outfielder | Year | Base Salary | Incl. Bonus | Comment |
| Manny Ramirez | 2009 | $25 million | $25 million | reduced via suspension |
| Manny Ramirez | 2010 | $20 million | $20 million | |
| Andruw Jones | 2009 | $17.1 million | $19.6 million | spread out through 2014 |
| Andruw Jones | 2008 | $14.1 million | $16.6 million | |
| Shawn Green | 2003 | $15 million | $15.67 million | |
| Shawn Green | 2002 | $12.75 million | $13.42 million | |
| Shawn Green | 2001 | $11.5 million | $12.17 million | |
| J.D. Drew | 2006 | $11 million | $11.4 million | |
| Andre Ethier | 2012 | $10.95 million | ??? | |
Shawn Green also made $16 million in 2004 ($16.67 million if you prorate his $4 million signing bonus over his six-year contract), but he moved first base that season. Matt Kemp makes $10 million in 2012, but he joins the party in 2013, as the final seven years of his contract pay Kemp between $21 and $22 million each season.
The Dodgers have $72.6 million committed to 15 players in 2012, plus a little over $22.2 million in dead money, paid to players no longer on the roster. Don't be surprised if Ethier isn't the only settlement today. James Loney and Clayton Kershaw are also arbitration eligible.
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Eric's Kershaw hope/prediction
Could come true.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
2013 Arb Eligibles
Clayton Kershaw
Blake Hawksworth
A.J. Ellis (Super Two)
Ramon Troncoso needs 29 days of MLB service in 2012 to qualify for arbitration.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
So he’ll still be a free agent at the end of the year? Is this a good or bad sign for long term renewal ?
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
Landscape will be completely different a year from now. But our new owner will be competing with everyone else that’s interested.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
I can’t see where this is an indication one way or the other.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
In fact the only indication that I get from this signing is that we will be paying Fielder $2M this season.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
If Colletti was going to extend Ethier, this probably would have been the time to do it. I don’t see Ethier as a Dodger in 2013 unless the new owners really want him here.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
It's a blank sign
I think the chances of Ethier staying a Dodger past 2012 are the same today as they were yesterday.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Shawn Green moved first base and they gave him a raise? man, if I went around my workplace just moving things around all willy nilly, they’d probably fire me.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Matt Kemp moved a trash can
and was nearly run out of town
mleadman - January 17, 2012
Los Angeles Dodgers: This time, you leave it the fuck alone.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Did Kemp's extension
And salary for 2012, set the market for Ethier?
Michael White - January 17, 2012
Not really because Kemp would have gotten 15 or so in a hearing. His extension has built in salary relief for this year.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Right, but we figured Ethier would have gotten $13MM in a hearing, so….
Michael White - January 17, 2012
Would not
Surprise me if has easily reached plate appearances incentives tat kick it up another 2M.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012
Can’t wait for him to play on a bum knee
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Well he is a Dodger :)
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
I think so too
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
It was important for Andre to make more then Kemp this one last time
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
I don’t think Kemp’s contract played a role, but I would like to see just how much in performance bonuses he can earn. My hunch is that it a couple million dollars.
The arb process is hard to pin down and if you think about it someone like Ethier is hard to predict: how many outfielders with Ethier’s numbers go to arbitration for a fourth time? (I don’t know the answer, I assume the answer is close to zero, with the more productive ones already signing multi-year deals) Maybe using the percentage raise breaks down at a higher point like Ethier, and there is some sort of an artificial cap which kept Ethier from going much higher (not to mention coming off an injury, etc).
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Not a fan of this early morning news breaking BTW. Was going to sleep in until 7:30 or so, but checked my phone and saw the Ethier news.
The first few weeks of spring training will be like this too, when Arizona is still an hour off and Mattingly meets with reporters around 7:45 PST.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
don't worry
i am sure mattingly will not say anything interesting
delias man - January 17, 2012
unless signing Scott Hatteberg warrants front page news : )
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Nah
D2X would just play Carlos Pena over him anyway. :)
EMDarrow - January 17, 2012
And that would be terrible!
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Well, we enjoy reading it.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Maybe your east coast brother can fill in for you on those early mornings.
Xeifrank - January 17, 2012
if he’s only making 10.95 this year, and has another year like last year, i don’t imagine them offering him a contract worth $12-$13mil to be able to get draft pick compensation next season.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Not sure what you mean
The only way to get draft pick compensation in the new CBA is to offer a one-year qualifying offer at the average of the top 125 salaries.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Nevermind, I misread and missed a word or two.
I disagree. I think they would offer it, and Ethier would decline.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
but if he plays like 100 games again, 1yr/12mil would be a great contract for him, i would think.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
or he could play in 135 games again
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
how many of those were healthy? He should have only played in 100 games
I MADE UP A NUMBER OKAY
☺
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
sorry, i thought it was any contract worth at least the average of the top 125 salaries, and i thought that figure was estimated at $12ish.
I wonder if they count Kemp’s average annual value or his $10mil value for next year’s calculations.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
I’m pretty sure for purposes of that it would be average annual value. But I haven’t seen the CBA.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
When it comes to baseball games I love a blow out, when it comes to basketball games I used to want a blowout because I never trusted our guards to perform in the clutch.
That is no longer true, even with Paul out, we still had one of the best historical closers and he did what he needed to do to help grind out a victory that had the likes of a D league guard getting minutes. As fun as the 17 point lead in the 1st quarter was, having the Nets tie the game in the 4th, setup an exciting finish that had the near capacity crowd on it’s feet.
I don’t get the Humphries hate? Why is he being booed mercilessly for simply marrying and divorcing an idiot? The man has a solid PF game.
Blake put up some numbers yesterday but I’m worried about several things. One is the free throws, looks like it is starting to be mental, the second is how many times he works hard on the offensive side but ends up with nothing and then waits a few seconds before heading downcourt on defense allowing the opposition time to work a play 5 against 4. Centers get a pass on this, guys who are supposed to be motors do not.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
They are booing Humphries because he is gay. People are stupid.
delias man - January 17, 2012
you’ve been watching too much Kardashians. On the radio they made it sound like Humphries showed up Griffin a bit last year, so this was a bit of a revenge angle for both the fans and Griffin.
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
i have never watched a minute of it before
i told you that my reality TV has to be of people at their jobs. and J Shore
delias man - January 17, 2012
those Kardashian girls work hard to keep up their appearance : )
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
No, that is not it. He’s being booed everywhere he goes. Many offensive power forwards showed up Blake last year. He’s not exactly a defensive player. Yes, Humphries outplayed him last year, I doubt as many fans knew that as knew who he married and divorced.
For whatever reason he was voted most hated NBA player, as Clipper Steve said I guess they polled 15 year old girls
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
because you dont fuck with the kardashians!!
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
and id sure love to have her idiot bank account, thats forsure.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
No way. He’s been boo’d at every arena for the same reason he was boo’d in Staples. The Kardashian thing.
Like Phil, I don’t get it at all.
Michael White - January 17, 2012
whats a kardashian thing
nolander - January 17, 2012
Humphries was married to Kim for about 13 seconds
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
there should be a shot clock on Kardashian marriages.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
HITNG?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Because it’s been up for ten seconds!
kinbote - January 17, 2012
excuses are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink!
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
HITNBrown?
kinbote - January 17, 2012
’tis now
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
and what a glorious 13 seconds it must’ve been.
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
of course
as you say that, I see this tweet: si_vault: Blake Griffin gives Kris Humphries a facial: http://t.co/aR5EmdQc
basketball needs a new word for that, facial has been corrupted
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
sure has
delias man - January 17, 2012
wait, what?
I don’t get it. I’m 12 and I don’t know what this is!!!
court168627 - January 17, 2012
jk, btw.
you really don’t have to explain.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
i was halfway through my reply
delias man - January 17, 2012
glad i said something then.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
The sexual term needs a new moniker.
Either way, Marv Albert will be affected.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
YES!
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
That bites.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
comment, comment
self edit
laugh
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
things I am glad I don’t know about
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
i had no idea until just this second that Eric Bledsoe hadn’t played a minute and was out with an injury. Next to Griffin, he’s my favorite clipper to watch.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
I was at the game
and I was really confused as to why everyone was booing. It was a weird boo because everyone would laugh after they finished booing. It was a strange combination of confusion and hilarity. I didn’t boo him until he was shooting free throws in the 4th, but I did find it funny that everyone booed him
yolos - January 17, 2012
Right it was not a hostile boo, at least not until he started kicking some ass, then it was, stop it you fuck.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
kismet
the exact same thing will happen to The Meercat at the LFP softball tourney
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
My teammates are going to good naturedly boo me then turn on me when I hit three straight 6 – 4 – 3 to Xiefrank to Jon to Timmermann?
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
the fans will throw raw meercats on the field after that hat trick
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
haha. I hope Timmermann has oiled his glove.
Xeifrank - January 17, 2012
Dave Cameron writes alot, not sure he said anything
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
thanks.
will not read.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
His missing the part where the pitchers would revolt if they stuck Montero behind the plate.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
From reading the blogs, Yankee fans sure seem upset about losing Montero. Will be interesting to follow their careers in parallel to see who won.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Yankee fans have been told by the mainstream baseball writers how great of a propsect Montero was and how he was the untouchable for years now.
Michael White - January 17, 2012
do not fuck with the narrative
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
True, but they did see a little of it firsthand last year.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Plus fans always overrate their prospects.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
In some universe I know Andy LaRoach is banging the ball
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
I wouldn’t say that, but Im not one to guess on a mans sexual orientation.
EMDarrow - January 17, 2012
You’re talking a lot, but you’re not saying anything
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed
Say something once, why say it again?
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Realisant mon essoir.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Gio Gonzalez breakdown
5 years, $42 million guaranteed, could be 7/$63.5m, per Mark Zuckerman:
$500k signing bonus
2012: $3.25m
2013: $6.25m
2014: $8.5m
2015: $11m
2016: $12m
2017: $12m option ($500k buyout)
2018: $12m option
Not sure if both options need to be exercised at once
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Interesting deal. Some risk on both sides there.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
what time is Kershaw's press conference today?
Brandon Lennox - January 17, 2012
10
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
True story - in 1966
instead of rings, the Dodgers were given Rolex watches for winning the pennant. This one belonged to J.T. Brewer:
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Awesome.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
More useful, too.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
I am not a memorabilia guy
but I’d drop $500 bucks on that
and more, a whole lot more
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
If I had that much
Ditto
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
It sold in 2004, for $3,215
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
this watch was last sold for $3,215 in 2004
call it a bargain
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
the best I ever had
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Your trousers?
Your pride?
Your accent?
Your drink?
kinbote - January 17, 2012
pretense, the answer is always pretense
and trousers
Pretense and trousers, hold on to your drink and be your accent, and if you start without any pride then you don’t have to worry about that at all
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
You’d be good at Match Game. Drop your pretense fits best.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
you now know the secret to my formative years TV watching
Me and Nipsy Russel go way back
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Dawson: O.G. Game Changer
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Man there’ve been a lot of watches on here recently.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
who'd have thunk it
Watches > Wine
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Pure Azure tried your rec’s in a previous thread. Don’t know if you saw it.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
I didn’t – the Trader Joe cheap stuff or the more dear suggestions?
He like it?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
He liked both the TJs picks. Made some good homemade stuff with it (mozzarella & soppressata?).
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Homemade Soppressata? Wow, that takes skills. We have a challenging climate for cured meats. I want to buy an old fridge and outfit as a curing chamber, Mrs HJ is not so happy with the idea
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Nice pull. Finally, watch talk that is interesting. :)
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
I was hoping to pull it all together : )
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Indeed
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Eric calls this full circle jerk.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
I always thought you only got a ring for winning the whole thing. Players got a ring for just winning the National League before??
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
like, every year, i believe. When only one team wins the league and the playoffs consist of the world series, winning the pennant is a big deal. By now it’s mostly tradition. I believe they do the same thing in basketball and football, handing out league champion rings, they just don’t get the big ceremony.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
yeah but right now, do players get a ring for winning the NL, or AL?? If so, wow, I had no idea… thought only for WS champs you get a ring.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
fun fact, in 2010 Benji Molina got an American League championship ring and a World Series championship ring!
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
they still do
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Woah.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
Tell us more about playoffs versus postseason, please. :)
kinbote - January 17, 2012
I got really on high on my horse two weekends ago, when the Houston Texans were hosting a playoff game. All the pundits said it was the first playoff game in Houston since the Oilers left (which is correct)
And everyone said in twitter, in their whiniest voice, well what about the Super Bowl? WHICH IS NOT A PLAYOFF GAME!
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
It’s one of the tangents on here that made sense. I had never thought of it before.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
the Super Bowl is essentially a professional Plus-One game, no?
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
does that mean you can bring a date?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
unless you’re the texas rangers. then you go stag.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
But then Luke Scott would shoot them.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
and then Clint Barmes would break his leg carrying them down the stairs
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
And still be better than Aaron Miles.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
No. Not if you’re using the theoretical NCAA definition of plus one.
Michael White - January 17, 2012
Postseason, Playoffs, and Championships Oh My!
kinbote - January 17, 2012
the Super Bowl is akin to the Rose Bowl, if the Big 10 and Pac 12 were the only conferences. A meeting of conference champions to win a trophy
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
wow, Im shocked I did not know this, never heard of it before…. so if team wins its league, and then WS, they get 2 rings? or just the WS champions ring?
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
one ring
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
to bind them
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Rack him
kinbote - January 17, 2012
I don’t know, so grain of salt here, but I would assume just the one ring.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
To rule them all
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
You ooped my alley
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Oops.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
ha.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Even dead mayors get rings.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
If you count them can you tell how old they were?
kinbote - January 17, 2012
that’s a rec
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
and green
fun morning here
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
they still do I think
My Dad was watching Pawn Stars yesterday, some guy wanted to sell a set of Braves championship rings. 4 NL champ rings, and one WS ring.
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
When did championship rings start?
My guess is the 60’s?
mleadman - January 17, 2012
The first championship ring to ever be made for players by the team was for the 1922 NFL World Champions: the New York Giants.
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
I need to take a picture of my NLCS ring from 1978
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
yes, you do
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Its in the safety deposit box in Vero….I live in Boca. I promise to do my best.
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
How did you get that?
I think i remember a story, but i’m not sure.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
I don’t know it was my Dad’s. It was given to him by one of his friends in the Dodger organization. He then gave it to me for my 16th Birthday. I used to wear it to school but then was scared I might lose it so I had him put in the safety deposit box and haven’t seen it since. Really nice ring. White gold with a cool dodger blue in the face with a diamond for the baseball in the dodgers logo.
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
That's badass
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
Dan Billardello let me try on his World Series Ring
It was fun
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Perronoski did the same for me in 88’
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
I bet Dann really hates Mat Latos.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Theres a retro styled watch for Humma! Might be a bit more then 1k though.
EMDarrow - January 17, 2012
I am excited about this. Especially if Ethier has a good year.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
It’s good to see. Best case scenario for all parties is team does well, Ethier does well, new owners come in, midyear extension.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
And Ned goes out.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
Still curious to see what he does with Loney.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
I'm excited about everyone on the team
if they have a good year
mleadman - January 17, 2012
I know we've discussed this a few times on this board
But Rob Neyer has an article discussing whether MLB Turned Its Back On Puerto Rico via the 1990 rule which subjected Puerto Rican baseball players to the amateur draft.
Michael White - January 17, 2012
I just assumed that watching after Al Pacino, as Carlito in Carlito’s Way, say he was “the last of the Mo Ricans” Bud Selig assumed there were no more Puerto Ricans at all.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Penelope Ann Miller at her peak
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
He also assumed that Mo Rocca had died.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
he used to be funny
delias man - January 17, 2012
I loved the I Love the Eighties and its derivatives.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
I’ll take Gordon Gecko Geico for 500 please
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
but would you do it if you couldn’t try on the gecko first?
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
now he does human interest pieces for CBS News Sunday Morning edition
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
really?
delias man - January 17, 2012
yup, did a segment on football uniforms just before the BCS championship, only reason I know
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
sell out
delias man - January 17, 2012
and doesn’t he host some show on the Cooking Channel? A history of food type show?
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Food(ography)
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
NEVER turn your back on a Puerto Rican. /notreally
kinbote - January 17, 2012
i thought the whole island had basketball fever now anyways.
delias man - January 17, 2012
in the comments of the article someone mentions...
If PR was not part of the draft what if Boras moved Bryce Harper there and made him a FA how much would he have been worth?
delias man - January 17, 2012
I saw that comment, and immediately thought MLB would call bullshit on that and it would never happen.
He could have gone to Japan or Taiwan if he wanted to avoid the draft (and he thought it would work.)
Michael White - January 17, 2012
But to answer your question, I’ll guess he would have gotten Dice-K money.
Michael White - January 17, 2012
So much for a ton of incentives
Just $50k, per Tony Jackson.
$25k for 600 PA, $25k for 625 PA
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Must’ve shown him the splits.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
[picture of Andre giving Ned the split middle fingers]
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
does
Make a one year offer of 2013 $13M more doable.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
well
The chip is on his shoulder now :)
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
Speaking of bad articles...
This one is pretty hilariously bad.
Can Matt Kemp really go 50-50?
Let me summarize some of the major points:
1. Kemp probably can’t reach 50/50 because he couldn’t reach 40/40 last season. If he had had that one more home run, the author would have been more inclined to be optimistic.
2. Reaching 50/50 is really hard. No one else has ever done it. Which I presume is exactly why the unsourced questioner asked the question…
3. Kemp isn’t really that fast. There’s not really any empirical data to back up this claim, unless you count Kemp’s minor league statistics from 2006.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
It would be worse if it said Kemp could go 50/50
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Kemp could definitely go see 50/50. Does that count?
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Or eat a 50/50 bar. I could see him doing that.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
I don’t know. I’d put the chances at …
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
true.
just because i reach the same conclusion as him doesn’t mean he did a good job of explaining….
court168627 - January 17, 2012
I saw that yesterday. I had to laugh.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
Ouch
owowowowowowoww.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
File this
under facts that seem insightful but are really meaningless
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Apart from the fact
That they tell us we need a new GM.
DodgerofTrolleys - January 17, 2012
No, they don’t.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
yeah,
i’m pretty ok with Ted Lilly’s contract.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
To elaborate, Ted Lilly had the highest WAR last year of any non-cost-controlled player that is still on the team (tied with Loney). Him being the highest-paid is not unreasonable.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Mark Ellis, Juan Rivera, Aaron Harang , Matt Guerrier and Juan Uribe do that, but Kemp getting paid only $10mil in 2012 and Ted Lilly getting paid a fair sum do not.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
well
dodgerscribe: Also, it doesn’t sound like Kershaw or Loney are close to agreeing. Arb #s were due to be filed 5 min. ago.
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Loney probably wants to be paid like Jim.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
oh and Dre's incentives
dodgerscribe: Ethier’s deal is one year, $10.95 mill plus $25,000 for each of 600 and 625 plate appearances. He has reached 600 PAs just once, in 2009
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Loney must be excited he got mentioned in the same sentence as Kershaw.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
callin’ his kids over to read the tweet
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
in 20 years, I hope they keep Loney on the Dodger PR tours with Kemp and Clayton.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Loney will star in Fast And Furious XVI
Xeifrank - January 17, 2012
Call me when they make Slow and Mild. I am their man.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
We'll call you
Sunday Morning
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
I still say Loney is the guy from Choo-Choo Soul.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
I hate Choo-Choo Soul. Genevieve scares me. That may be why I stopped backing Loney.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Shin Soo-Choo got $4.9 million
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
THE Shin Soo-Choo
kinbote - January 17, 2012
BTW
if I were a sound guy for an MLB team (well aware I would likely get fired) I would play “Drive My Car” by The Beatles or “Crash” by the Dave Matthews Band every time Loney came to bat.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Or “Beep Beep.”
Nolij - January 17, 2012
That’s great/terrible.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Bad Habit – Offspring
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
Little Red Corvette
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Roadhouse Blues
“Keep your eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel”
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Drive – The Cars
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Haha
I can’t drive 55 – Sammy Hagar
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Crawling from the Wreckage
mleadman - January 17, 2012
I would start a band called Death Cab for Loney and play that stuff.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
we missed you this morning
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
I saw the WS watch. It is gorgeous. I wonder if it’s solid gold or gold plate. Not that it matters, really; its memorabilia facotr, combined with the Rolex pedigree, is what gives it the value.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Hanoi Rocks?
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
maybe im misunderstanding
but if arb numbers were due 5 mins ago and there’s no word on whether or not the dodgers filed them, wouldn’t that be MORE evidence that the dodgers avoided arb and signed them to contracts?
court168627 - January 17, 2012
No
The numbers that they filed at will be released later today. The 9am deadline just acts as a deadline of sorts when a lot of deals get done to avoid going to that next step.
They can still continue to negotiate.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
ah. i get it.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
so all we know is they’re still in negosh, but there might still be smiles times #30Rock
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
10am deadline, per Tony Jackson now.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Ben Franklin, still trolling.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Tony Jackson is the man!
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
Willie Mays, not a union guy
from Today in Baseball:
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
bummer.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Saw that in the Curt Flood documentary on HBO. Flood got essentially zero support from his colleagues and teammates.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
different place and time
I don’t expect my great socially aware leaders to play great Center Field, and I don’t expect the greatest Center Fielder ever to necessarily have a nuanced grasp on labor policy and relations
I think Flood saw the world round when nearly all of his peers still saw it flat. That is a credit to Flood, but not a knock on his peers
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Well, it is, actually, when you put it that way. Though I know what you mean.
berkowit28 - January 17, 2012
Cole Hamels got $15 million from the Phils, per Heyman
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
how do people feel about him as a dodger next season?
i’d rather go after matt cain. there are so many great pitchers on the market next season any team that hopes to contend has to scoop one of them up.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
I don’t think Cain sees free agency. I think Hamels will, and I’m all for acquiring him because we would lock up at least one 5th place SBN NL Cy Young vote
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
I thought I saw something on Twitter this weekend where there was a Cain to Toronto rumor. Was that just BS?
Michael White - January 17, 2012
yes
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Who are the great pitchers on the market next season?
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
2013 FA SP class
Starting pitchers
Scott Baker (31) – $9.25MM club option
Joe Blanton (32)
Matt Cain (28)
Fausto Carmona (29) – $9MM club option
Bartolo Colon (40)
Aaron Cook (34)
Kevin Correia (32)
Jorge De La Rosa (32) – $11MM player option with a $1MM buyout
Ryan Dempster (36)
R.A. Dickey (38) – $5MM club option with a $300K buyout
Scott Feldman (29) – $9.25MM club option with a $600K buyout
Gavin Floyd (30) – $9.5MM club option
Freddy Garcia (37)
Zack Greinke (28)
Jeremy Guthrie (34)
Cole Hamels (29)
Dan Haren (32) – $15.5MM club option with a $3.5MM buyout
Tim Hudson (37) – $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Hiroki Kuroda (38)
Colby Lewis (33)
Francisco Liriano (29)
Kyle Lohse (34)
Derek Lowe (40)
Paul Maholm (31) – $6.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Shaun Marcum (31)
Jason Marquis (34)
Daisuke Matsuzaka (32)
Brandon McCarthy (29)
Brett Myers (32) – $10MM club option with a $3MM buyout
Carl Pavano (37)
Jake Peavy (31) – $22MM club option with a $4MM buyout
Joel Pineiro (34)
Anibal Sanchez (29)
Jonathan Sanchez (30)
Ervin Santana (30) – $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
James Shields (31) – $9MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
Chien-Ming Wang (33)
Jake Westbrook (35) – $8.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout if club declines
Dontrelle Willis (31)
Randy Wolf (36) – $10MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
Carlos Zambrano (32) – $19.25MM player option depending on Zambrano’s Cy Young voting placement
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/2013-mlb-free-agents.html
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Lots of crap there.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
that phrase applies to every conversation we have
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
as always
but >1 really good SP is more than we saw this year.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
and that list will most certainly change.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
check my shorter list below.
compared to this year, with the top two being CJ Wilson and Edwin Jackson, this list is pretty unbelievable
court168627 - January 17, 2012
At least half those guys won’t make it to free agency and it will look almost as bad.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
totally disagree.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
he’s right, we just don’t know which half and who. The Giants may fall out of it, trade Cain, new team extends him, Giants might extend him, or he might hit FA and the three are about as equally likely.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
at least half?
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Always happens.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
I feel guys like Liriano, Peavy, Zambrano will definitely be free agents
The first two being injury concerns, the last being a head case. I wouldn’t mind taking a chance on any of them depending on how big of a price drop they will be.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
Right
Just like CC could have been in this year’s FA class but everyone knew he would go back to the Yankees.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
like a dog returning to his vomit
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Also some possible goodies:
Peavy
Jonathan Sanchez
Brandon McCarthy
Lewis
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
dice-k much younger than i thought.
Intrigued
delias man - January 17, 2012
post the posting fee he is attractive
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
It’s the asian genes.
/Kobe Tai still isn’t billed as “Asian MILF”
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
Greinke is still only 28?!?!
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
been pitching since he was the baby.
Of everyone on that list I’d like Grienke in Dodger Stadium.
I’d rather have Loney at 1st and Grienke pitching then Fielder and Eovaldi.
Course when Loney goes .311/.373/.477 this year that will be easier to swallow.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Keith says
Trade for him
mleadman - January 17, 2012
Conventional Wisdom
would say that Greinke couldn’t handle LA. I think that’s kind of bogus. But yeah, I’d prefer to have him or Cain instead of Lefty Hamels behind Kershaw.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Fuck handedness
I would take Hamels all day every day over Cain.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
yes and yes and yes and yes
I can yes this shit all day
try me
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
I want to own a huge house with large hallways, including 10 bathrooms so I can shit all day * lil wayne
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
Yeah, which one was killed by his brother?
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
"I don't care about matchups"
-
Billy Beanecourt168627 - January 17, 2012
I think of all the “big markets”, LA would be the easiest to play in. The media is hardly hostile, and quite frankly, Dodger stars are the smaller entities in the Los Angeles universe.
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
Grienke will be coming as a mega free agent. That always has baggage.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
yup.
even in Milwaulkee. And that’s why I don’t buy some of the langauge about fragile players and the pressure of big city media. These guys are playing in the major leagues. There’s always going to be media scrutiny, especially when you’re good.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
with all the yahoos in LA
We have one of the strongest mental/psychological health communities in the world.
/not based on fact
//based on TMZ
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
i remember when i told an old coworker that i was moving to LA
she referred to it as the “land of fruits and nuts.” i silently shook my head.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
I remember when
people not from LA complained about all the “fern bars”
mleadman - January 17, 2012
the old joke
How is Hollywood like a bowl of granola?
Its all fruits, flakes, and nuts….
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Where did you move from and how old were you when you moved here?
Just curious
Michael White - January 17, 2012
From Rochester, NY
Moved here when I was 23. But the woman who made that joke is probably in her 50s.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Then
she’s a blight on my generation with that kind of talk
mleadman - January 17, 2012
I cannot wait to read Simmer on Grienke
oh wait, I can wait
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
I’m with you. Having Cain and Billingsley on the same team might cause the universe to implode upon itself.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Greinke would make a real nice #2 starter. I see a little Bulldog in him anyway.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
bestiality is fucking gross
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
I'm with you
Greinke would be awesome as a Dodger.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
He might be available.
berkowit28 - January 17, 2012
Zambrano, Anibal, Peavy, McCarthy, Marcum, Liriano, Hamels, Greinke, and Cain all are very interesting options that will likely be available. Greinke tops the list for me, then Hamels, then Cain.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
Cain, Hamels, Greinke.
So probably just Greinke.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
Liriano
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
“Great” “pitcher”
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
"seman""tics"
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
you never want to find
a tic in your seman
mleadman - January 17, 2012
List:
Cain
Hamels
Greinke
Good middle of rotation starters:
Liriano
Colby Lewis
Marcum
Daisuke
Ervin Santana
Anibel Sanchez
Jonathan Sanchez
Brandon McCarthy
Kuroda
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Will be an interesting test case for supply and demand
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Angels have an option on Santana
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
oh woops
i tried to exclude the option people.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
and at the rate they are going will lock him up anyways
they should have the money to do so with hunter and abreu coming off the books and the discounts they got on weaver and howie
nolander - January 17, 2012
This Doesn't Seem Realistic?
Cain – Resign
Hamels – Resign
Greinke – FA
Good middle of rotation starters:
Liriano – Sucks
Colby Lewis – FA
Marcum – FA
Daisuke – Sucks
Ervin Santana – Option
Anibel Sanchez – Resign
Jonathan Sanchez – Sucks
Brandon McCarthy – FA
Kuroda – Retire
Obviously that’s not gonna be exactly right but this seems like a totally reasonable scenario since every free agent class looks great a year in advance.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
Cain
Seems to be the opinion of some people that the Giants won’t be able to afford to sign both Lincecum and Cain long term, and that Cain might be the one they let go of.
latenite - January 17, 2012
If that was the choice then they would be choosing correctly
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
I definitely agree – no way the Giants let Lincecum go to the Yankees, Red Sox or whoever!
latenite - January 17, 2012
surprised
You didn’t give Colby Lewis a “sucks” rating
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
all those sucks ratings are kind of dumb.
my point was that they’re serviceable middle of the rotation starters. they all are.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Not “dumb” but not useful to the discussion. If Jonathan Sanchez sucks then god knows what Reg thinks of Billingsley.
For fun purposes, Randy Johnson did not break a 109 OPS until his age 29 season.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
I'm assuming you meant ERA+.
but then again, a 109 OPS sounds about right for Randy Johnson.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
i assumed he meant MPH
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
I dont know, see how this season goes 1st. But with Kershaw, Bills, Rubby back later on, Evoldi, maybe Zach Lee is ready, I much rather invest the money in offense.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Really? You just named one great pitcher, one average one, one coming off arm surgery, and two rookies, one who was in low A ball. That is what you want to go to battle with instead of Cole Hamels?
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
“go to battle with”
seems unlike you
are you sure you are Phil?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Frankly
if I’m going to battle, I’m taking Carlos Zambrano and telling him the other side is full of gatorade cooler lovers.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
haha.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
well, I mean, im all for Cole Hamels, but not if it means we cant upgrade the offense… But I guess the FA market is think on hitting next offseason? so maybe have to get a good SP…. but for example, if next offseason Fielder and Hamels are FAs, and I could only get one, im getting Fielder.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
I dont know that I want to give a SP a huge contract before Kershaw gets one….
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
You are setting a constraint that doesn’t matter.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
are you saying
facts that seem insightful but are really meaningless
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
How do I know it doesnt matter though?? I dont know what the new payroll will be… what kind of contract will Hamels command? What contract will Kershaw command? How do I know new ownership can afford both???
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
you are looking for the deuce, but the fastball keeps going right by you
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
and even if they can afford both, along with Bills contract, and Kemp, can they afford another marquee offensive player or 2 on top of that??
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Both start with a 2, eventually
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
well, anyways, all my opinion is, is ofcourse I would love Hamels, but IMO only if we can also lock up Kershaw long term, and 2 super star offensive players… I wouldnt want Kershaw, Hamels, then pretty much a similar offense to what we have now, that wouldnt work for me… but whatever, im not GM.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Fielder won’t be a FA next year
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
right he wont be, thats why I said if….. was just an example making that power hitting is more a priority for me then SP, but if we can get both, then great… but yes Fielder wont be a FA next year. Shit I might even rather have Napoli then Hamels, but not sure.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
No
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
for kicks
the best FA position players are probably
Josh Hamilton
Shane Victorino
Michael Bourn
Andre Ethier
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
BJ Upton might actually make it to free agency so I’d include him.
regfairfield - January 17, 2012
i'd like one of the centerfielders
not victorino though.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
So, Michael Bourn.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
there are questions about him
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
His answer is always
I can’t remember
mleadman - January 17, 2012
thanks for picking this up
elsewhere I made a reference to sex with a bulldog, don’t take this the wrong way, but as I wrote it I admit thinking of you
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
I was going to make
a Hershiser joke, but I couldn’t find the comment. Then I lost interest.
mleadman - January 17, 2012
BJ Upton isnt a CF?
And while he doesn’t play like one, Hamilton is technically a CF. So I meant one of those three.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
That’s who I’d choose.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
i was thinking offensively, especially since we have TGJr if you want a defense-first guy who won’t see much PT because of his bat, you might as well use the one making $1mil.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Upton can hit
nolander - January 17, 2012
OPS+ of 115 last year
after coming crashing down in 2009, he got better each of the last 2 years
nolander - January 17, 2012
ok, so put him on the list. the Ks and low avg/obp are worrisome, but sure why not
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Yeah
I don’t know what happened, but for 2 years he had a high 300s OBP and now he seems stuck int he low 300s
nolander - January 17, 2012
Hamels it is then.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
I’d trade Eovaldi and Jansen for the best offensive player I could get an call it a day.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
What could they realistically get?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Pipe dream: Andrew McCutchen if you throw in Sands and Webster
Realistically: i have no clue. Ian Kinsler if you threw in Webster?
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
why would the rangers trade ian kinsler?
court168627 - January 17, 2012
they have enough offense to spare, in a park that can create offense, for a guy with 1 option year left until free agency after this year.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
I’m a fan of offense at 2b too. Hard to go to battle with Mark Ellis.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
McCutchen is under contract for as long as kershaw isn't he?
nolander - January 17, 2012
FA in 2016
nolander - January 17, 2012
pipe dream
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
I wouldn’t want to give up Sands and Webby for McCutchen…fuck that noise
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
O_O
really?
court168627 - January 17, 2012
I was actually willing to consider McCutchen for Kemp and Kershaw last year
McCutchen is good and under contract for a long time
nolander - January 17, 2012
I think this was earlier in 2011 when McCutchen was still
keeping pace with Kemp, and we thought no way kemp gets an extension.
nolander - January 17, 2012
are you serious?
nolander - January 17, 2012
Ridicule me all you want….I’ll stick by the fact (all day) that I wouldn’t do that 4:1 trade.
Those four pieces would leaving gaping holes that would be difficult to fill (and expensive)
McCutchen isn’t Kemp
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
Gaping? Sands didn’t even win a starting outfield spot and Webby is in AA.
Michael White - January 17, 2012
I think he is refering to 2013 with the assumption that both Ethier and Rivera are gone, Sands has a pretty good shot at taking one of those spots. Still McCutchen is pretty sweet.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
you could then play from LF-CF-RF, Gwynn, McCutchen, Kemp.
I’ll live.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
That D would be rediculous.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
Mike we can agree to disagree…no biggie. I’m personally banking on Webby being a solid #4 and hoping Sands ends up meeting 75% of his potential. People here wanted to give up on Kemp and I was his biggest advocate. Same thing with Dee Gordon and although I can’t prove it now there are certain players I’d be willing to bank my TBLA rep on when it comes to reaching their potential.
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
even if they do that...
mccutchen is still more valuable
nolander - January 17, 2012
you seem to really be undervaluing mccutchen
nolander - January 17, 2012
keep banking
but you really can’t expect any of those prospects to pan out. McCutchen, on the other hand, is a pretty sure bet.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Then I can be wrong in this instance. I must undervalue McCutchen because I used to hold him and Colby Rasmus in the same regard although 11’ stats show they are completely different players.
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
I would trade an established #4 and a 115 OPS+ corner OF for McCutchen in a heartbeat. Although McCutchen is missing an ‘o’ in his name.
David Young - January 17, 2012
what?
gaping holes? how? none of them have a starting job in the major leagues except jansen, and he’s an effing relief pitcher.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
thats assuming any of those prospects every pan out
McCutchen is a much player then I think you realize. He might be the 2nd best CF in baseball. Probably pretty easily in the top 5.
nolander - January 17, 2012
Man, you know I’m with you on a lot of things, but McCutchen is a top 10ish player in MLB, is under team control for another 4 years, and we’re talking about players who have yet to make a dent in MLB butw ho would be big lotto tickets for the Pirates.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
I made the statement prior to looking at his numbers last year.
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
I would clone Sands and Webster just so I could give them up twice for McCutchen.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
i would give up any dodger except kershaw
for McCutchen.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
and i've said gordon and lee are hands off in any trade
this is basically one of the only trades that’s an exception.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
You complete me Eric
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
generally relievers are overvalued
but i wouldnt give up jansen at this point. i’ll repeat what i always say: by the end of 2012 Kenley Jansen will be considered one of the best relief arms in baseball.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
i like trading relievers at their peak. If he has a peakier peak than 2011, awesome.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Which is why we should’ve traded Guerra for something this offseason.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
Right. Though i could see waiting until they’re both about to hit arbitration to make a decision.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
JOSH HAMILTON?? yeah get me him please!!!
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
what will you do
when he strains a rib signing the contract?
nolander - January 17, 2012
Send him to Germany, get that shit fixed real quick.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
We have enough people dying at Dodger Stadium.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
ooo.
low blow. but i laughed.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
like deuce :(
delias man - January 17, 2012
Not to mention im still high on Bills, I dont care what numbers say, or this you usually are what you are at this age, whatever…. I still think Bills has it in him, and ill never give up!!
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
dude needs to throw more strikes and learn how to get througha lineup a third time and he’ll be amazing.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
yeah, i still like bills too.
a lot actually. i really just see last year as a down season. otherwise, the guy has a a 3.68 era over 163 career starts (with a 3.71 fip). i’ll take that in a heart beat.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
me too.
problem is there’s not much offense on the market next year.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
but with a new owner
Can’t we have it all?
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
Man, I sure hope so!
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
I don't see any way the Dodgers go after a starting pitcher
They will have:
Kershaw
Billingsley
Harang
Capuano
Rubby
Eovaldi
Then possibly Webster, Withrow, or even Zach Lee clawing at the door.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
i know, i said the smae thing to my brother. but if a lot of those pitchers end up hitting the market i would imagine their value would be deflated and it would be smart to sign one and trade away some of what we’ve got for some hitting.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Hamels is a must no matter what
Find a way to get rid of Capang or something. Plus, Nate Dogg is probably a reliever.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Lilly is still around too.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
in 2013?
oh joy, lol.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
Unless we trade 2 or 3 of those guys to get some offense…
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
I don't see any way they go after a starting pitcher
They will have:
Kershaw
Billingsley
Harang
Capuano
Rubby
Eovaldi
Then possibly Webster, Withrow, or even Zach Lee clawing at the door.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
I don’t see how that list precludes us from going after someone good. There is only one for sure pitcher on that list. One.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
The sure thing
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
If they were making that movie today, they would omit the definite article and call it “Sure Thing.” Question: is that title better or worse?
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Sure thing.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
“The Sure Thing” sounds like an easy lay.
“Sure Thing” sounds like a response to a request.
It’s worse.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
“The” doesn’t make every title better, but in this case since the “Sure Thing” in this case is a person, and people are nouns, I go with the “The Sure Thing”
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Reading “Girl with Curious Hair.” Same idea.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
“Where Wild Things Are”
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Old Man and Sea.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
In Russia
mleadman - January 17, 2012
This is not the question
The question is why would they remake that POS.
mleadman - January 17, 2012
It’s always best to drop the the. Just ask Facebook.
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
it's really weird how out of vogue definite articles are now.
just look at band names.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
fuck vogue
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
She Likes Cloth
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
I miss having The in front of every band name
not
nolander - January 17, 2012
Strokes would be a completely different band
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Diff’rent even?
Nolij - January 17, 2012
have to imagine much of that’s to do with our search engine optimized world. The just gets in the way
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
interesting take. as for band names, i always assumed it was just a backlash against the garage rock revival.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
In the mid-late 90’s, I was sure that no bad would be signed unless it had a misspelling and/or a number in its name.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
god those names sucked. as did their music.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Billingsley is under contract for that year, is he not?
Then apparently I forgot Lilly too. You have Lilly, Harang, Capuano all with one year left and making tons of money. Do you just eat the rest of what they are making and get a new big free agent starter?
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
Probably
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Capang is one big question mark for 2013. They are filling the Kuroda void this year but next year is a whole different can of beans. Wouldn’t surprise if neither is a starter in 2013.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Maybe the relatively low price for Ethier is a bad sign. Perhaps both sides know his injury is more serious that we feared. Or maybe Ned played the Kim Ng card.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
or perhaps Dre took a fair offer on the table, in anticipation of his long term contract next year.
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Nolij’s point makes more sense to me. If both sides have knowledge of lingering injury issues, AND if those injury issues are going to be disclosed/discussed/have an impact on the arb hearing, then it’s in Ethier’s interest to avoid the hearing.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Speaking of Germany
Ive been wondering how many players will go to Germany to get fixed like Kobe did now, and how many players this could really help? Wonder how much this procedure or whatever it is could change the game. In alot of sports.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Potentially a lot, until it gets banned.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Maybe it gets banned, or im thinking the FDA or whatever its called is going to rush to get this procedure approved so it can be done here.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
If Ethier still has knee issues this year, I could see a trip to Octoberfest on his way to free agency.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
I have an arthritic toe
Fucking Aetna won’t step up and foot the bill
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
“Kobe Bryant Procedure” to become as well known as “Tommy John Surgery”?
latenite - January 17, 2012
Doesn’t the “Kobe Bryant Procedure” already mean something else?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
HEY O
court168627 - January 17, 2012
zing
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
hey, the Kobe System works!
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
ky optional
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
Kobe says “Your Welcome”
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
I still don’t get what those commercials are trying to sell
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
yeah, me either to be honest…. Is it his shoes??
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Dam, wasnt Joel Pinero one of the top FA SPs just a few years ago? Now he’s signing minor league deals.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
he's always been kind of a wildcard.
he’s had a couple randomly good seasons, but has been mediocre to below average overall.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Still, how does that become a minor league signing when you account for those who are getting major league deals. I also found it astonishing.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
He completely fell off a cliff in the second half last year.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
yeah yeah
but Vincente Padilla roped a major league contract.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
No he didn’t
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
woops.
my bad. i just read 1.5 mil and assumed that was his stupid stupid contract.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
That’s if he makes the team.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
at gunpoint
mleadman - January 17, 2012
No he didn’t
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
Even with a few bounce back starts in September, Pineiro after the All-Star break had a 7.11 ERA with 15 walks and 21 strikeouts in 56 innings, and gave up nine home runs.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
yeah
him and chatwood just fell off a cliff, and then set themselves on fire.
nolander - January 17, 2012
This visual works for me.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Yeah, and yet many major league starters have completely sucked not just in 2011 but for their whole careers.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
only using court’s FA starting pitcher valuation method :)
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
i listed 11 FA pitchers
3 of which are undeniable aces (or close), the rest I called middle of the rotation. I stand by those claims. Whether or not they’ll make it to FA is another matter, but my valuation method is solid. SOLID AS A ROCK.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
He got divorced from Dave Duncan. :)
Xeifrank - January 17, 2012
FOR THE RECORD
In regards to my comments on undervaluing McCutchen. After further research and deliberation with my baseball constituents I need to cop to being a complete jackass. It was a simple case of open mouth, insert foot.
I’d appreciate not being judged to harshly as I hope to have displayed a solid trackrecord of baseball knowledge in the past.
My bad homies!
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
Just say you thought we were talking about Daniel McCutchen, then it will be all good.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Lawrence McCutcheon
mleadman - January 17, 2012
Ash Ketchum
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
i find this hilarious.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
/generation appropriate humour!
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Humma McClutchin’
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Smokem Ifyaogtem
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
No way, dude. I know Smokey only had that one year that he was any good, but I was always a fan.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Some people think it’s unusual that Smokey the Bear wears pants; to me, the fact he doesn’t wear a shirt is more noteworthy.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
hahaha.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Daylan McCutcheon was supposed to be legendary.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Blast from the Past
He was the first high school recruit I ever followed. He was on the cover of the first Cal-Hi Sports Magazine I ever read.
Also, Sherry Konopski was my first Playmate of the Month. August 1987.
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
there’s no record, we’re all just throwing spaghetti
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
i sling mud
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
baboon poop
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
various aspersions
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Ass Persian: Kim Kardashian?
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Armenian, I believe.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
ignore
kinbote - January 17, 2012
wow
TBLA beebop
Scatological scat
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
I was focused more on the ASS than Persian
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
I can understand what you are saying. In fact, with the preface that McCutchen is the better player, I’d rather keep Sands and the rest and sign Upton. Upton is not as good, but provides many of the same things that McCutchen does.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
and TGJ provides much of what BJ Upton does, unless you find HRs to be sexy
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
You way overvalue Mr Gywnn
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
30 ops+ isn't worth much phil
nolander - January 17, 2012
if BJ Upton has his 2011 season again in 2012, he has to get something like 48/4, no?
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Sure, maybe even 5/60. I’d do that and let Sands play LF.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
point being, Gwynn will make between 1 and 2mil for that first year, and BJ Upton will make more money than seems reasonable. With the savings you could do more than upgrade 30 OPS+, you could solidify a rotation spot or upgrade at another position.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Whats 3 WAR worth to you?
nolander - January 17, 2012
you’re telling me the 30 OPS+ is 3 WAR?
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
yes
nolander - January 17, 2012
[backs away slowly]
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
i literally do not understand how that works.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
its easy to find a guy who can put up an 86 ops+ I imagine
nolander - January 17, 2012
I doubt these things are linear
nolander - January 17, 2012
actually I wonder how low your OPS+ has to be for you to get -WAR
so 0.0 war is probably somewhere in the 60s or 70s. If you think of it that way it makes more sense.
nolander - January 17, 2012
fielding counts in WAR, so I hate it and you can only compare oWAR if you’re going to do that.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
This is oWar
they are exactly 3 apart in oWar
nolander - January 17, 2012
[backing away less slowly]
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
I tihnk 30 points in OPS+ is huge
its the difference between upton and MVP MATT FUCKING KEMP
nolander - January 17, 2012
if you multiply it by 2
nolander - January 17, 2012
I just can’t imagine him being worth the contract I imagine him getting.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
that sounds like a personal problem
nolander - January 17, 2012
That is probably true, but that is quite different then
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
and honestly
who doesn’t find home runs sexy?
nolander - January 17, 2012
Pitchers and other communist
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
I was working under the assumption that Upton was still 2009 Upton or w/e it was when he struck out too much and didn’t get on base ever. That’s still true, but he got his SLG up high enough to be not a huge liability, and of course his glove is still elite. But if the gloves between him and TGJr are a wash, the difference is two .240 hitters but one hit 20 more HR last year.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
.
nolander - January 17, 2012
it’s a red X for me.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
fuck you and your fucking filter
nolander - January 17, 2012
JK!
its leo squinting at you
nolander - January 17, 2012
I never tire
of this picture
mleadman - January 17, 2012
That’s a pretty significant difference in my book.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
x
nolander - January 17, 2012
at $12-15mil or so more, is it?
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
ITS A SIGNIFIGANT DIFFERENCE
HE MAY NOT BE WORTH THAT MUCH MORE BUT SOMETIMES YOU OVERPAY TO GET TALENT.
nolander - January 17, 2012
.
nolander - January 17, 2012
Since the age of 22 BJ has had one bad year. Career OBP of .342.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Cool
let’s sign him. he can hit 3rd.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
baseball reference backs me up on this
fangraphs seems to to, but gives gwynn a higher score defensively.
nolander - January 17, 2012
I like TGJ and all, but he is what he is, a nice 4th OFer. Other than 2009, Upton is a consistent 4 WAR player.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
Impossible
Michael White - January 17, 2012
OB12 that was what I was thinking. Plus I undervalued McCutchen because I thought he was cut with the Rasmus cloth.
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
McCutchen is great, but Upton would be a suitable alternative for me.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
I will be an unhappy camper if Sands ends up being a bum. As for Webby I’m hoping / expecting the end result to be
Billingsley < Webby
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
I think you have a pretty good shot at being an unhappy camper
not a lock at being miserable, but I’d expect to be salty if I were you
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
How can a camper be unhappy? Forget his hot cocoa?
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Went to Valley Forge, forgot the bug spray.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
They say we’ll have some fun when it stops raining.
JonWeisman - January 17, 2012
Thank you for this.
David Young - January 17, 2012
Erick Aybar signed with the Angels for one-year, $5.075 million, per Mike DiGiovanna.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
I wonder
what Willy is up to
mleadman - January 17, 2012
isn't he in jail?
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
A lot of players agreeing to deals today
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
My bad
that was per Enrique Rojas.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
I’d think an outfield of three right handed hitters without any left handed difference makers in the infield would be a disadvantage. Since you can no longer find good left hand hitting infielders other then 1st baseman, when we replace Andre, he needs to be replaced with a left hand hitter or we need one heck of a left handed 1st baseman.
Can’t see Texas spending all this money and then letting Hamilton walk.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Good thing we have a left handed hitting SS.
But point taken.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Sign Upton, trade a couple of prospects for Headley. Done.
Oh, wait. Punch Uribe in the face and tell him to GTFO. Done.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
why would we punch uribe in the face?
nolander - January 17, 2012
Just seems like something to do.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
It just really bothers me for some reason
He has done nothing off the field to deserve such a thing, and I hardly think someone deserves to be punched in the face for being poor at their job, assuming they gave their best effort. Maybe its just bothering me more right now knowing jacoby jones is getting death threats and having people burn jerseys on his front lawn because he fumbled a fucking football.
nolander - January 17, 2012
My apologies for hyperbole. I just have no desire to see Uribe play another inning for this team. Makes me a little frustrated he is here for two more seasons.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
I am on the record
bounce back season for Juan
He will be ok
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
People keep saying that. I am pretty skeptical.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
me too.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
1) Look at Andruw Jones
2) It would almost be impossible for Uribe not to have a bounce-back season.
JonWeisman - January 17, 2012
almost impossible?
what if he, you know, doesn’t hit very well?
court168627 - January 17, 2012
2008: 76 OPS+, 353 PA
2009: 112 OPS+, 432 PA
2010: 102 OPS+, 575 PA
2011: 56 OPS+, 295 PA
You really think he’s going to do worse in 2012 than he did in 2011?
JonWeisman - January 17, 2012
I don’t think he will do worse, but even an 80 OPS+ would be pretty awful.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
3rd baseman and 2nd baseman are kinda awful at hitting a baseball
nolander - January 17, 2012
do you like tony gwynn at all?
nolander - January 17, 2012
I like him for what he is, good 4th OFer. Not starting 3B.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
like i said
he could do better than last year and still not be very good. or he could just be injured for more than half the season like last year.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
when I hear "bounce back"
i dont think “exceed the unbelievable shittiness from the last season.” i think that phrase implies they get “good” again. He may do better than a 56 OPS+, but that doesn’t mean it’s “impossible” for him not to bounce back
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Right, he would have to approach being a serviceable starter to be considered bounce back in my book. Sounds like a lot to ask.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
.240/.300/.400 is serviceable, and reasonable.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Our bars are so low
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
They’re so low, even I can belly up to them.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
You’re rendering the term “bounce-back” meaningless. Bounce-back does not equal good.
The 2010-11 seasons exceeded what would be typical for Uribe, yet you’re saying that he has to reach that level to have a bounce-back season.
JonWeisman - January 17, 2012
Come on, anyone can bounce back from being the worst hitter in baseball, for bounce back to have any meaning the season has to be useful.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
“The 2010-11 seasons exceeded what would be typical for Uribe, yet you’re saying that he has to reach that level to have a bounce-back season.”
I’m not really sure what this means.
I think you’re rendering “bounce back” meaningless. If Uribe has a 57 OPS+, is that technically a bounce back? If so, then who cares about a bounce back>
court168627 - January 17, 2012
I think you’re splitting hairs. I’m not going to crow I was right if Uribe has a 57 OPS+.
However, if he bounces back to an 80 OPS, that’s meaningful even if it’s not “good.”
JonWeisman - January 17, 2012
It is splitting hairs, but the connotation is important. He’d go from being completely useless to just bad.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
Dead-cat bounce
kinbote - January 17, 2012
That OBP looks a little high :)
kinbote - January 17, 2012
That’s awful, which would be a win for Uribe.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
it’d be average offensively, with his above average defense. For $8mil. We win.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Based on this thread, the baseball irony gods are hard at work making this prediction come true.
1. Juan Uribe will bounce back and have an OPS of .750
2. His defense will be so bad that Russell Mitchel would be considered a defensive upgrade.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
if his defense is that bad next year...
I will continue believing the universe is a cruel hard place.
nolander - January 17, 2012
He’s pretty round. He should be good at bouncing.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
yes and yes
he could be as bad, he could be worse, but he will probably be better
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
so what?
he was so bad last season that he could OPS .650 this year and still be “better.”
court168627 - January 17, 2012
have you seen the numbers for the average 3bman?
he also plays good D
nolander - January 17, 2012
no. i havent.
i still don’t think a .650 ops is good. aaron miles posted a .660 last year and that was ok because he was suppsoed to be a bench player. any starter that posts a .650 ops is not hitting very well (unless, of course, their OBP is astronomically high, which we know Uribe’s won’t be).
court168627 - January 17, 2012
average OPS for a 3rd baseman or 2nd baseman these days
is around 680 to 690. Uribe is above average at defense.
nolander - January 17, 2012
and that average is probably culled from any player that starts the game at 3b, whether or not they’re a full time starter. i’d be interested in seeing the average ops for players that are actually #1 on a team’s depth chart.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
name me 10 3rd baseman that don't suck
nolander - January 17, 2012
well
Josie Becker - January 17, 2012
Longoria
Sandoval
Headley
Beltre
Young
Youkilis
A. Ramirez
Polanco
Prado
Roberts
Chipper
court168627 - January 17, 2012
oh woops.
that was 11. and i forgot alex rodriguez.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
And Mike Schmidt
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
Pie Traynor is due for a bounceback year.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Arlie Latham says Pie Traynor can fuck himself.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
That was not hard
Throw in youngsters likely to be better:
Moustakas
The Rockie Kid
Kyle Seager
Morel
and oldies
Rolen
Alex
That is without even looking at depth charts.
Even a “good” uribe is a lousy Uribe.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
and chipper could miss most of the year.. again
roberts could turn into a pumpkin ramirez is getting old etc. so whats the average ops for a “starting” 3rd baseman. I’m guessing it still doesn’t crack 700.
nolander - January 17, 2012
hahaha
so we’re gonna just throw hypotheticals in there? they all could die in a plane crash to a “great 3b convention” making uribe a top 5 3b, but so what? you asked me to name 10 3b that don’t suck, and i did, FTW.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
you do realize I was replying to phils comment
which was filled with hypotheticals right? RIGHT?!?
nolander - January 17, 2012
I'm excited about the Rockies 3B prospect
Though it sucks he’s a rocky, lol.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
prado had a .687 ops last year
palanco had a .674 ops. Michael Young is not a 3rd baseman. Yokilis missed. So basically there are 10 good 3rd baseman. Uribe doesn’t have to do much to be as mediocre as the other 19.
nolander - January 17, 2012
Make it easier, look at the teams, name me a 3rd baseman in 2012 who will not be better then Juan Uribe?
Heck for several years we’ve had the worse offensive 1st baseman. In 2012 we get to see if we can have the worst 1st baseman, 2nd baseman, SS, and 3rd baseman. Good times await us all.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Chone Figgins?
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Kyle Seager will probably start. No big deal but still better.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
you guys aren't bringing your A game
neither of you metnioned zimmerman or that kid in Miami.
nolander - January 17, 2012
I actually think Uribe can be better then Dominguez in 2012 but not Hanley
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
exactly.
people just need to take the blue tinted glasses off. uribe is not a good hitter. even for a 3b.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Is there one person in here who has said Uribe is a good hitter?
JonWeisman - January 17, 2012
yes
nolander - January 17, 2012
i was responding to an argument that a .650 ops is good for a 3b. so in that case, yes.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
You put words in my mouth
I iddn’t say it was good. I said his D could make him “goodish”
nolander - January 17, 2012
I didn't say he was
I said he could do enough to be mediocre to not completely bad enough that his D could make up the difference and he could be useful.
nolander - January 17, 2012
Jones hasn’t bounced back as much as he has found a niche. We are still wanting Uribe to be a starter.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
He will have better than a .710 OPS
Count on it
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
I am on the record
Juan Uribe could bounce back
he would still suck, because Juan Uribe is not good at hitting a baseball.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
what fun is that prediction
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Reality intervenes.
Juan Uribe will not post an OPS ala 2009 in the .824 range
Juan Uribe will not post an OPS ala 2010 in the .749 range
Juan Uribe will not post an OPS ala 2011 in the I am the worst hitter in baseball range
He will post an OPS in the .640 – .680 range and while everyone can crow he had a bounce back that is still not going to help a team score runs with an infield of Loney / Ellis / Gordon / Uribe and AJ Ellis behind the plate. Kemp and Andre will only be able to do so much.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Looks like we’ll have pretty similar projections this year, Phil.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
What part of my original comment do people disagree with?
“Uribe is a good defensive player and it’s more likely than not that he’ll have a bounce-back year offensively. That certainly is not setting the bar high, and I’ve not been a fan of his contract from day one, but I would offer that he’s probably being underestimated for 2012.”’
It’s not like I said he was gonna be an All-Star or even a good player.
JonWeisman - January 17, 2012
it’s a nitpicking atmosphere here this morning
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
people want to hate Dodgers named Juan
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Encarnacion
Pierre
?
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Marichal
mleadman - January 17, 2012
Rivera
isn’t that enough?
How much hate is good enough for you man?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Castro, Pierre, Rivera, Uribe, Encarnacion, Samuel…
I can’t think of one I liked.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Ewww. Juan Samuel. First Dodger I ever hated!
Michael White - January 17, 2012
Me too. ^5!
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Did I stutter?
people want to hate Dodgers named Juan
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Is nitpicking really the right word for it? ;)
kinbote - January 17, 2012
I call it “Dickishness”, but hey that’s just me
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
thanks for the reply about my event idea. my potential hopefully future boss really loved the idea.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Sweet – glad to be of service
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
If you admit that he might not even be a good player, then I guess we agree. In that case, who cares if he bounces back.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Yeah, that is pretty much the point we agree on.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Admit? Yes, you’ve gotten me to concede what I have felt along.
However, if you don’t think the difference between an OPS+ in the 50s and one in the 70s or 80s is significant, we do disagree. It will help, and the Dodgers need every bit of help they can get.
JonWeisman - January 17, 2012
I like it when you bold
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Last place teams care about 80 OPS+ being helpful, not teams in contention discussing their starting 3rd baseman.
Not sure which is more helpful, a 57 OPS+ from someone who luckily got hurt and did not play much or 600 at bats from an 80 OPS+
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
yup
court168627 - January 17, 2012
this is about the stupidest baseball conversation we have ever had here
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
so's your face
nolander - January 17, 2012
.
nolander - January 17, 2012
That doesn't make any sense
So’s your face!
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
All that means is that the level of discourse regarding baseball has finally devolved to the level of discourse regarding everything else.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
That’s just flat-out wrong.
So if Russell Martin had had a 60 OPS+ instead of an 85 OPS+ for the 2009 Dodgers, that wouldn’t have mattered?
If David Freese had had a 100 OPS+ instead of a 120 OPS+ for St. Louis, the Cardinals don’t even make the playoffs in 2011.
Twenty points of OPS+ matters, whatever your team is.
JonWeisman - January 17, 2012
Okay, just speaking for myself I simply don’t care if a player has an OPS of 60 or 80 they both are not good enough to be playing everyday for a team in contention.
The difference going up from that point is different for me.
If Juan Uribe bounces all the way back to his 2010 level, then hell yeah, I will be excited, if he does his White Sox season, I couldn’t care less.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
Juan Uribe was less than useless last year
That won’t be the case this year. He won’t be good, but hell, with his defense he might be close to average, if just below average.
It WILL make a difference.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
yes
nolander - January 17, 2012
to return the discussion to baseball...
he might be the best bet for 2b/3b this season. i cant really imagine hairston/ellis/kennedy doing better at the plate than uribe. well, im sure some of them will get on base more, but i think people hold out hope that uribe can hit 15+ hr.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
BUT
I’m gonna go on record saying I don’t think he bounces back like Jon or Joe predict.
court168627 - January 17, 2012
Uribe is a good defensive player and it’s more likely than not that he’ll have a bounce-back year offensively. That certainly is not setting the bar high, and I’ve not been a fan of his contract from day one, but I would offer that he’s probably being underestimated for 2012.
JonWeisman - January 17, 2012
agreed
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
exactly
a 100% exactly
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
I certainly hope so.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
I’d offer that he’s being over estimated by those expecting a “bounceback” to turn into a useful hitter.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
useful player
not hitter
nolander - January 17, 2012
I don’t personally blame Uribe for not being very good, or for getting a bad contract.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
I think if Texas signs Fielder they would let Hamilton walk. But other than that, I agree I think Texas will try to keep Hamilton
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Half the people can be part right all of the time, and some of the people can be all right part of the time, but all the people can’t be all right all of the time.
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Classic
I forgot: who did Dylan say said that? Abe Lincoln? Mark Twain? I forgot.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
“I think Abraham Lincoln said that. I’ll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours. I said that.”
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
Nice
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
So I'm trying out Netflix
through my PS3. Re-watching Breaking Bad season 1. It’s pretty sweet, and I may decide to keep it once my free month is up.
’
mleadman - January 17, 2012
dam, you have a PS3? crazy, wouldnt have expected that.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
I'm old, not dead
I was playing video games when you were in diapers. And you’ll probably be playing them when I’m in diapers
mleadman - January 17, 2012
goddamn that is good
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
this has all happened before
and will all happen again
nolander - January 17, 2012
haha, I was gonna say, did they have a senior discount or something? im just playin… yeah thats cool man, just thought maybe you were one of those im too old for video games, or video games are for kids…. which is a reaction from most older gentlemen I believe….. But I can see it with you, I see the kid in you from some of your comments and I love that
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
just curious though, exactly what video games were you playing 33 years ago when I was in diapers? was it that pong or whatever on Atari??
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
That's 1979?
Then mainly asteroids and centipede
mleadman - January 17, 2012
ha close, I was born in 78
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Then you were still in diapers in 1979!
Sincerely yours, Captain Literal
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
haha, oh yeah, I was thinking of my birth year.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Don’t think, would hate for you to hurt yourself on our account
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
no, its ok… im at work, I can get disability… been waiting for that day to come.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
Commodore 64 FTW
ishXdavid - January 17, 2012
Bruce Lee was the bomb yo
The Stuntmen - January 17, 2012
I want to say that there
Were both Intellivision and Colecovision back then. Plus some other games like Dr. J vs. Larry Bird and RPGs.
bhsportsguy - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
I had Mattel Intellivision
that shit rocked
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Sub Hunt FTW
The Stuntmen - January 17, 2012
in the early 80's
I was on a serious Sierra Games jag. King’s Quests, Leisure Suit Larry, etc.
mleadman - January 17, 2012
who wasn't
nolander - January 17, 2012
I was more a Broderbund fan
Oregon Trail, Carmen Sandiego…
Nolij - January 17, 2012
who wasn't
nolander - January 17, 2012
Love ’em. Who did Zork?
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Lots of good old movies on netflix
also lots of the worst movies ever made
nolander - January 17, 2012
hey now
Big Trouble in Little China is a classic!!
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
thats a good old movie
nolander - January 17, 2012
Netflix has the new Sherlock series with the guy from The Office who’s gonna be The Hobbit and Benedict Cumberbatch which is an even more ridiculous name than Sherlock Holmes.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
yeah I need to get on that
they also have Dr Who. Plenty of stuff to watch if your entire life isn’t dedicated to watching TV and Movies as soon as they come out.
nolander - January 17, 2012
Thats what I dont like, take off the shitty movies and add more good movies… more new movies to be specific…. Wonder when the time will come you can stream any movie ever made on 1 service… except the ones in theatres or whatever.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
general rule: if you or anyone you know has the urge to go buy it on dvd/blu-ray from a store and/or see it in theatres, it’s not streaming yet. The licenses would be way too high.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
you may enjoy Netflix, however I had the same reaction as you, and would assume everyone does that tries it…. But then as time goes on, I got over it, wasnt using it enough, and then canceled. But alot of others use it alot, so that could be you too.
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
I still get plenty of use out of it
I don’t watch a ton of tv, so I’m usually a year or two behind on shows, so I can watch a bunch of them on Netflix for cheap.
nolander - January 17, 2012
Netflix rules
Tommy Blackjack - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
David Price got $4.35 million from the Rays as a Super Two, the same number Dontrelle Willis and Cole Hamels (as part of a 3-year deal) got when they were Super Twos. The record for first-time arb pitchers….normal pitchers that is.
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
Minotaur
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Loney signs
silverwidow - January 17, 2012
CAA has been a busy tweeter today
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
OMG WTF
THATS 6.375 MILLION TOO MUCH. LONEY SHOULD BE PAYING US HE SUCKS SO BAD. LETS MURDER HIS FAMILY.
nolander - January 17, 2012
No jury would convict us.
Humma Kavula - January 17, 2012
lol
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
as long
as we don’t punch him in the face. That’s beyond the pale
mleadman - January 17, 2012
its just not polite
nolander - January 17, 2012
haha come on nolander… are fans not allowed to say things they dont mean out of passion??
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
i'm going to punch your mom in your face because your comment annoyed me
nolander - January 17, 2012
god damn
this really did make me laugh out loud
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
haha
uschris0304 - January 17, 2012
ned beating all the projections today.
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
Probably slapping his forehead, saying “Damn, if I knew I’d save this much in arb, I would have signed Kuroda!”
latenite - January 17, 2012
he says
“Kim Ng? I taught her everything she knows, but not everything I knows”
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
Seems pretty good to me.
OB12 - January 17, 2012
I want BJ Upton if he's a free agent next year
His bat isn’t a big bat, but he’s shown he can have a high OBP and he’s shown some pretty good HR power. He’s an above average fielder and think he would be great to have anywhere in the outfield.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
Rover!
mleadman - January 17, 2012
Red Rover?
G.Scott - January 17, 2012
new post
http://www.truebluela.com/2012/1/17/2713331/james-loney-dodgers-avoid-arbitration
Eric Stephen - January 17, 2012
true or false
People hate “fat” Dodgers more easily than they hate Dodgers who appear or are more fit?
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
people hate fat people
/thread
nolander - January 17, 2012
Forster Syndrome
mleadman - January 17, 2012
For sure.
But we also love them disproportionately [no pun intended].
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Counterpoint: Mike Fetters.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
Gio was roundish.
kinbote - January 17, 2012
and I hated him
Still do actually
mleadman - January 17, 2012
He wasn’t all that popular.
Nolij - January 17, 2012
I'm one of the fat people
So I don’t have any problem with that, unless you’re andruw jones who just eats your contract in twinkies in one offseason.
Ivdown - January 17, 2012
I was big fan of Belliard and Jones. I like round players, Pablo is awesome. Juan Uribe is not.
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
This was almost a great thread
but ended up a loser
We’ll call it “Juan”
Hollywood Joe - January 17, 2012
maybe the next thread will bounce back
Phil Gurnee - January 17, 2012
this was great
kinbote - January 17, 2012
Kind of like “munsoned”?
VeroJoe - January 17, 2012
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