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Dodgers 2012 Minor League Countdown: 20 - 11

Shawn Tolleson being interviewed during the 2012 Winter Development Program

Shawn Tolleson being interviewed during the 2012 Winter Development Program

Here is the penultimate post in my 2012 minor league countdown. With just 10 players ahead of this batch, we are now into the thicket of the Dodger prospects. There probably aren't any huge surprises in this group, although there are definitely a few pitchers that I have ranked lower than most and a few other players I am higher on. Please keep in mind that my rankings are not solely based on a player's ceiling, but rather on a variety of factors including the likelihood that a player will reach that ceiling. As always let me know your thoughts, and get ready for my top 10 that will be posting early next week.

20. Kyle Russell, RF (11 games in AAA, 120 games in AA in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2008, 3rd round
6’5”, 195 lbs, 25.75 years old, bats left handed
.255 average, .831 OPS, 20 HR’s, 72 RBI’s, 6 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 17; Pre 2010 Rank: 14; Pre 2009 Rank: 14

Kyle Russell was the Dodgers 3rd round pick in the 2008 draft out of Texas, and after setting home runs records in college he has continued to put on a power display as a pro. He has also struck out at a pretty alarming rate (31.8% for his career), but really that just comes with the territory for Kyle. After earning co-MVP honors in the Midwest League in 2009, Russell made a joke out of the California League in 2010 by hitting .354 in 53 games with 16 homers and a ridiculous 1.140 OPS. That earned Kyle a promotion to AA in June, and while his stats dropped across the board in the Southern League, he still managed to collect 36 extra base hits in just 273 at bats. In 2011 Kyle returned to AA and he continued his trend of hitting for a lot of power while striking out a ton. He ranked 2nd on the team with 19 homers, but K'ed in 32.2% of his plate appearances. The good news is that the everyday right fielder also continues to walk at a good rate which helped him post a .840 OPS despite a .259 average. He finished 2011 with an 11 game stint in AAA (which is where he where he will be in 2012), and after the season he spent some time in the AFL and had decent results (check out his long swing here). At the end of the day you know what you’ll get out of Russell. He’s been extremely consistent with his strikeouts, posting a K rate of between 31.2% and 32.4% in each of his four minor league seasons, and has hit at least 20 home runs for the past three years. If given the chance to play every day at the big league level I think his stats would probably be pretty similar to his final line of 2011 (with a lower OPS). As mentioned above he’ll start 2012 in AAA and could quickly become a fan favorite in Albuquerque with his power potential.

Why #20: While I doubt that Russell will ever get the chance to play every day in the big leagues, I do think he could be a valuable left handed bench player with good power against right handed pitchers. He also plays a serviceable right field so he wouldn’t be a defensive liability if given the occasional start. For that reason I think he deserves to be ranked as a top 20 Dodger prospect. I expect big numbers out of him in Albuquerque this season, and I could see him helping out the Dodgers at some point in 2013 while possibly filling the void left by Jamie Hoffmann (but with more power potential).

19. Angel Sanchez, RHP (99 IP in LoA in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 7/12/10
6’3”, 177 lbs, 22.25 years old
8-4, 2.82 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 3.46 FIP, 7.64 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A; TBLA Prospect #12

Angel Sanchez literally came out of nowhere. Even though he was technically signed by the Dodgers in July of 2010, I would bet that nobody had heard of Sanchez coming into the 2011 season. Even the Dodgers were confused because in their 2011 media guide, they showed that Sanchez had played in the DSL last season which wasn’t true. In reality Sanchez was a rare Dominican player to sign after attending college, and made his professional debut all the way up in the Midwest League. Upon joining the Loons in May he created a lot of buzz, and rightly so because the right hander had a very successful campaign. For the season Angel posted a 2.82 ERA over 99 innings with a WHIP of 1.12. His most impressive stat, however, was that opposing batters hit just .198 against him. In terms of his stuff, Sanchez was equally impressive with a mid 90’s fastball, a sinking 2-seamer, a good changeup, and a developing curveball. His frame is also projectable, and he is still quite young at 22 years old. All that being said, I’m being a little cautious when ranking Sanchez and am not as high on him as most. His less than impressive strikeout rate worries me a bit, and his FIP of 3.46 is pretty average. He was also playing in a very pitcher friendly league and because he burst onto the scene there were no scouting reports on him which helped his cause. I’ll be curious to see how Sanchez performs in 2012, especially since his most likely destination will be HiA. If he continues to post outstanding stats then I’ll be forced to jump onboard the Sanchez bandwagon, but for now I’ll watch and hopefully even catch him pitching in person next season.

Why #19: I’m just not sold on Sanchez, which is why I have him ranked lower than most. I’ve seen him pitch online and he does have quality stuff and a good motion, but again I just don’t see him as a top prospect just yet. He probably does have the ceiling of a #3 starter in the big leagues, but I think obviously a long ways off from reaching that potential and a lot can change over the next 12 months.

Follow the jump for #'s 18 - 11

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18. Jake Lemmerman, SS (21 games in AA, 103 games in HiA in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2010, 5th round
6’1”, 192 lbs, 22.75 years old, bats right handed
.283 average, .785 OPS, 10 HR’s, 65 RBI’s, 10 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 19; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A; TBLA Prospect #16

Jake Lemmerman is a local kid who grew up in Corona Del Mar, yet he decided to play his college ball at Duke. While he was a Blue Devil, Lemmerman built up quite a reputation for himself both on and off the field. The Dodgers selected “Late Night” in the 5th round of the 2010 draft, and upon signing he was assigned to the Raptors in the Pioneer League. After joining Ogden, Lemmerman had pretty much the best season possible for a first year shortstop. Jake was named the MVP for the entire league, and definitely deserved it with the offensive stats he put up as a middle infielder. Jake hit .363 over 259 at bats and finished the season with 12 homers. He also ranked 1st in the league in runs (69), 1st in doubles (24), 7th in RBI’s (47), 2nd in total bases (158), 3rd in OBP (.434), 3rd in SLG (.610), and 4th in OPS (1.044). That prompted the Dodgers to promoted Lemmerman to the California League in 2011, and while he didn’t tear it up with the Quakes he had a decent season. He batted a respectable .293, but he only hit 8 long balls and had an OPS under .800. I guess that's pretty good for a 22 year old player's first full pro season, and the Dodgers were impressed enough to promote him to AA late in the year and also send him to the AFL. While Late Night was unimpressive in 21 games with the Lookouts and really struggled in the AFL (.156 average over 20 games), I’m going to cut him some slack because this was his first full season of professional baseball so I’m sure there was a fatigue factor. He won’t have that excuse next year, however, so he’ll need to learn to cope with a long season. I'm still surprised the Dodgers haven’t tried Lemmerman at either 2nd or 3rd base since his path to the big leagues seems to be blocked by Dee Gordon, and it couldn’t hurt to have some defensive versatility, but so far he’s spent every inning as a pro at shortstop. In 2012 he’ll almost certainly be the Lookouts everyday shortstop and it will be interesting to see how he handles a full year of AA pitching.

Why #18: Overall Lemmerman seems like the type of player who is going to give you a great effort day in and day out, and will post consistent yet unspectacular stats no matter where he plays. I believe his MVP season in 2010 was a bit of a fluke, as was his terrible performance in the AFL. His ceiling is that of a big league shortstop, and his overall 2011 season stats probably provide a good guide of what he’d post if he played every day in the MLB.

17. Shawn Tolleson, RHP (44.1 IP in AA, 9.2 IP in HiA, 15 IP in LoA in 2011)

Drafted by Dodgers 2010, 30th round
6’2”, 215 lbs, 24 years old
7-2, 1.17 ERA, 1.01 WHIP, 1.59 FIP, 13.70 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 54; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A; TBLA Prospect #8

By now, most of us know the story of Shawn Tolleson. The former travel ball teammate of Clayton Kershaw was actually considered a better prospect than the Cy Young winner at one point, but a blown out elbow derailed his career and Tolleson went undrafted coming out of high school. He instead headed to Baylor, but he never really returned to form and as a redshirt junior in 2010 he posted a 5.17 ERA. The Dodgers took a chance on Tolleson as they selected him in the 30th round of the 2010 draft, and ever since then he’s been virtually unhittable. He started his career by carving up the Pioneer League in his professional debut, then started the 2011 season in LoA with Great Lakes. Shawn only threw 15 innings for the Loons before his promotion, but those were probably the best 15 innings anyone has ever thrown in the Midwest League as Tolleson got 33 of his 45 outs via a strikeout, picked up 10 saves, didn't allow an earned run, and had a FIP of negative 0.40. He continued his dominance in HiA with the Quakes, and after just 5 appearances he was promoted again up to AA which is where he finished the season. After joining the Lookouts Tolleson finally found a league where he couldn't strike everyone out as his K/9 was "only" 11.2, but in all seriousness he continued to dominate with a 1.62 ERA and a 2.18 FIP in 44.1 innings. In terms of his stuff, Tolleson’s cutter has become famous this year and is definitely his out pitch, but Shawn also added some velocity over the past 12 months and can now dial it up to 96 mph. He also throws a slider and is working on a changeup to keep hitters off balance. Tolleson will almost certainly return to AA to start the 2012 season, but he’s not far away from a big league debut. There isn’t room for him in the current big league bullpen, but at the very least I think we’ll see Tolleson in Los Angeles in September.

Why #17: After an outstanding season in 2010, Tolleson proved he was the real deal as he tore through the minor leagues in 2011. While major league hitters will probably adjust to his cutter, he has enough other quality pitches to succeed. He has the ceiling of a late inning reliever and could be a useful bullpen arm for years to come, but I think the players I ranked ahead of him will have more value to the Dodgers in the long run.

16. Angelo Songco, 1B/OF (131 games in HiA in 2011)

Drafted by Dodgers 2009, 4th round
6’0”, 195 lbs, 23.5 years old, bats left handed
.313 average, .948 OPS, 29 HR’s, 114 RBI’s, 4 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 31; Pre 2010 Rank: 39; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A; TBLA Prospect #15

Angelo Songco was born in Granda Hills and played his college ball locally at Loyola Marymount. During his junior season he led the Lions with a .360 average, 15 home runs, and 63 RBI’s in just 59 games to go along with a sizzling OPS of 1.159. Selected by the Dodgers in the 4th round of the 2009 draft, Songco signed quickly for $225,000 and continued his torrid hitting in the Pioneer League, whacking 7 home runs in his first 19 games. In 2010 Songco spent the entire season in LoA with the Loons, and while he showed some pop with 15 homers, including one bomb that reportedly traveled an estimated 508 feet, his overall season stats weren’t all that impressive. That changed completely in 2011 as Angelo put together one of the organization’s best minor league offensive seasons in recent memory. Songco led the Quakes in several offensive categories (runs, HR's, 2B's, SLG%, OPS), and also paced the entire California League with 310 total bases. Songco also ranked 2nd in the league with his 29 HR's and 114 RBI's, while his .948 OPS placed 4th. In addition, the lefty wasn't a big swing and miss guy as he struck out in a respectable 20.6% of his plate appearances. Angelo’s only struggles came again left handed pitchers, but even then he showed significant improvement from 2010 as he hit 8 of his homers against southpaws and still had a respectable OPS of .769. Stats aside, the big news for Songco in 2011 was his shift from left field to 1st base. Songco had never been a strong outfielder, and given the Dodgers depth at the position they decided to move Songco to the infield. From a defensive perspective his transition has been relatively smooth, but at the same time it’s going to put more pressure on Angelo since 1st base requires big time power numbers. If he continues to hit like he did this past season that won’t be an issue, but given that his big season came in the hitter friendly California League there are going to be questions surrounding his power until he proves he can hit in AA. He’ll get that chance sooner rather than later because he’s ticketed for Chattanooga in 2012.

Why #16: Like most people I want to see how Songco performs outside the friendly confines of the California League before getting too excited about him. While I do like his potential, the fact that he’s now limited to 1st base caused me to rank him a little lower than I would have if he had stayed in left field. Some scouts believe that his home run power will turn into gap power as he faces tougher pitching, but based on what I’ve seen (and the reports of the 500+ feet homers) I think he truly has big time power potential. For now I believe his ceiling is that of a big league starting 1st baseman with 25 homer potential, although I don’t see him as a high average guy and I think his defensive will always be limited.

15. Blake Smith, OF (74 games in HiA, 6 games in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2009, 2nd round
6’2”, 225 lbs, 24.25 years old, bats left handed
.304 average, .948 OPS, 20 HR, 73 RBI’s, 3 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 20; Pre 2010 Rank: 20; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A; TBLA Prospect #18

Blake Smith was selected in the 2nd round of the 2009 draft out of Cal where he was a two way player for the Golden Bears. During his 3 year college career Smith had a .312 average with 28 homers in 158 games, and a 4.63 ERA in 62.2 innings with a 12.2 K/9. The Dodgers signed Smith as an outfielder, and after the draft Logan White said, “He was highly touted as a hitter and a pitcher. Just like Loney, he has a really nice left-handed swing and he's a power guy with incredible raw power. When he worked out, he almost hit one out of Dodger Stadium -- way up in the seats. Obviously he can throw and if we can work with him to utilize that raw power, he'll be a front-line corner outfielder.” After a terrible professional debut in 2009, many wrote off Smith as a wasted pick. I, on the other hand, expected a rebound season for Smith in LoA in 2010 and that is exactly what happened. Blake led the Loons with 19 home runs and posted a very solid .852 OPS. In 2011 the Dodgers moved Smith up to HiA, and despite missing a significant chunk of the season due to sports hernia surgery Smith ranked 3rd on the team with 16 homers and recorded a ridiculous 13 outfield assists with his cannon arm in right field. Smith also posted an OPS just under .900 for Rancho, and his overall season stats were a bit inflated thanks to a 6 game rehab stint in Arizona where he crushed 4 additional homers. Here’s an interesting video that shows all of Smith’s first half homers from 2011. After the season Smith made up for lost time in the Panama Winter League and continued to tear the cover off the ball as he led his team in virtually every offensive category and was named the league MVP. Heading into 2012 Blake will move up to AA and will be the Lookouts everyday right fielder. If he continues to hit for power and posts a solid average against the advanced pitching of the Southern League, then I think Smith will be a legitimate candidate to be added to the 40 man roster after the season.

Why #15:
Blake Smith has a lot of value because he has the potential to be a powerful outfielder, yet also has options because he throws 94 mph on the mound. If I had to guess right now, I’d say Smith’s ceiling is a big league right fielder who could hit 25 homers annually with an adequate batting average. This upcoming season will give us a much clearer picture as to whether or not he’ll reach that ceiling.

14. Aaron Miller, LHP (34 IP in HiA, 2 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2009, 1st round
6’3”, 200 lbs, 24.5 years old
4-2, 3.75 ERA, 1.58 WHIP, 3.76 FIP, 8.25 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 14; Pre 2010 Rank: 9; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

Aaron Miller was the Dodgers 1st round pick in 2009 out of Baylor where he was a two way player for the Bears. As a hitter Miller batter .312 during his junior season with 12 homers, and on the mound he posted a 5.12 ERA with a K/9 of almost 11.5. The Dodgers wanted Miller as a pitcher, and after signing him for almost $900,000 he paid immediate dividends with a stellar professional debut. Promoted to HiA for his first full season in 2010, Miller was the easily the best pitcher for the 66ers. He was extremely consistent all season and stuck out almost a batter per inning. During that season, Inland Empire pitching coach Charlie Hough had this to say about Miller: “Sneaky fastball…Easy, easy delivery and the ball kinda sneaks up on the hitters. He has a ways to go throwing some breaking balls. He has good feel with the changeup.” Despite his overall strong season in 2010, there were some warning signs that worried me a bit including a dip in velocity and struggles during a short lived promotion to AA. That brings us to 2011, which was mostly a lost year for Aaron. A groin injury and a sports hernia caused him to miss quite a bit of the season, and when he was on the mound he wasn’t all that effective. His velocity fell into the high 80’s and his secondary pitches were not as sharp. To make matters worse Miller opted for surgery late in the season, and because he waited so long to go under the knife he may not even be at full strength headed into spring training. When at his best Miller can throw in the low 90’s and has a plus slider with a developing changeup. He also has great control and is a smart player. When he does finally heal from his injuries I have no doubt that he’ll be able to return to the pitcher that the Dodgers saw when they drafted. Now 24 years old, Miller will definitely head to AA in 2012 and will try to prove that he’s still in the Dodgers future pitching plans.

Why #14:
Miller has the ceiling of a middle of the rotation starter, and also has the added bonus of being left handed. While he doesn’t seem to have quite the upside of some of the players ranked around him, I think he is a safe bet to reach his potential if he can stay healthy.

13. Tim Federowicz, C (25 games in AAA, 90 games in AA, 7 games in Majors in 2011)
Trade with Red Sox for Trayvon Robinson
5’11”, 200 lbs, 24.5 years old, bats right handed
.287 average, .808 OPS, 14 HR’s, 69 RBI’s, 1 SB (minor league stats only)
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A; TBLA Prospect #9

A lot has been a made about Tim Federowicz’s prospect ranking this offseason. Some feel he deserves to be among the Dodgers top 10 Dodger prospects, and Baseball America agrees with those individuals as was #10 on their list. Others don’t see how a strong defensive catcher with a questionable bat can possibly be among to the top prospects. I fall somewhere in the middle because I do think FedEx has the chance to be a starting catcher at the big league level, but I don’t think he’ll ever be more than a #7 or #8 hitter with plus defensive skills. Sure FedEx has more offensive abilities than a guy like AJ Ellis, but I don’t see him hitting more than 5 to 10 homers at the big league level with a .250 average. He’s shown some power in the minor leagues, including hitting 6 homers in just 25 games after joining the Isotopes, but against big league pitching he projects more as a gap hitter. As previously mentioned there is no doubt that he has great defensive skills, however, and for his minor league career he has thrown out 33% of would be base-stealers. In 2012 FedEx is slotted to be Albuquerque’s starting catcher, but with just Ellis and Matt Treanor ahead of him on the depth chart he could see quite a bit of time in Los Angeles before the season is up.

Why #13: The fact that Federowicz has already made his big league debut and could be in the mix to be the Dodgers starting catcher as soon as 2013 means he deserves to be ranked in the top 15, but I just don’t think he’ll ever be good enough to warrant a top 10 ranking. I expect more out of the players I ranked ahead of him, but even still FedEx could be a solid player for the Dodgers for years to come.

12. Alfredo Silverio, LF (132 games in AA in 2011)

Signed by Dodgers 11/13/03
6’0”, 205 lbs, 24.75 years old, bats right handed
.306 average, .883 OPS, 16 HR’s, 85 RBI’s, 11 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 40; Pre 2010 Rank: 38; Pre 2009 Rank: 28; TBLA Prospect #13

Signed way back in 2003, Alfredo Silverio always showed potential but never really had a breakout season until 2011. Sure he hit .373 in the Gulf Coast League in 2007, but that was only over 193 at bats and he was playing in a rookie league. He did show some additional signs of life in 2010 with the 66ers, but that was nothing compared to the monster season he had in 2011 with the Lookouts. Silverio’s name was scattered all over the Southern League’s leader board last season, with his most impressive feat being that the lead the league with 289 total bases. He also ranked 1st in the league with a surprising 18 triples despite failing in 12 of his 23 stolen base attempts, and he socked a career high 16 homers. He even showed some improvement in his ability to take a walk, although that is still a work in progress as he only walked in 5.2% of his plate appearances (compared to 4.4% in 2010 and 1.8% in 2008). In terms of his defense, Alfredo has played all three outfield positions throughout his career and was the Lookouts’ main center fielder in 2011, but his below average range will probably limit him to a corner as he moves up. The good news is that he does have a strong arm, so he should be able to handle right field at least on a part time basis. Now 24 years old, Silverio will probably spend 2012 in AAA and could have another big season given the friendly confines of Albuquerque’s stadium. Now that he’s on the 40 man roster he will probably see Los Angeles at some point in 2012 and it will be interesting to see how he handles big league pitching.

Why #12: Silverio definitely put himself on the Dodgers’ radar with a big season in 2011, but I’m not sold on him being a top 10 prospect for Los Angeles. While he does show some potential for all 5 tools, he doesn’t seem to have any skill that stands out. He has the ceiling of a starting big league outfielder and seems likely to make it to the majors as soon as this season, but I personally don’t think he’ll be more than a .260 hitter with 10 to 15 homer potential.

11. Jonathan Garcia, OF (130 games in LoA in 2011)

Drafted by Dodgers 2009, 8th round
5’11”, 175 lbs, 20.25 years old, bats right handed
.228 average, .710 OPS, 19 HR’s, 63 RBI’s, 2 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 12; Pre 2010 Rank: 10; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A; TBLA Prospect #11

The Dodgers selected Jonathan Garcia in the 8th round of the 2009 draft out of Puerto Rico, and so far the pick has looked like a steal. In his professional debut Garcia did very well in the Arizona Rookie League, hitting .305 with a .862 OPS as a 17 year old. Sent to the Pioneer League in 2010, Jonathan was a full two years younger than any other position player on the Raptors yet ranked 3rd on the club with his 10 homers and .527 slugging percentage. In 2011 Garcia was promoted to LoA and he started the season with a bang despite playing in the cold Michigan weather. Jonathan tore out of the gate with 7 April homers while posting a .945 OPS, and was atop the Midwest League leader boards as the month came to a close. Garcia couldn’t keep up his sizzling pace, however, and as the weather warmed up he actually cooled off considerably. Overall Garcia had a very hot and cold season, leading the club by a sizable margin with 19 big flies but also finishing the year with a .228 average and an OPS of just .710 while striking out in 25.9% of his plate appearances. It should also be noted that he wore down as the season progressed, and ended the year in a terrible slump as he posted an OPS of just .380 over his final 10 games. The good news, however, is that Garcia played the entire 2011 season as a teenager, and outside of Joc Pederson’s 16 game cameo he was the youngest player on the Loons. In addition, after the season Jonathan was sent to the instructs in Arizona and was actually named the Dodgers most improved player in camp. In terms of a scouting report, Garcia is not a big player at 5’11” but he has above average raw power. He struggles with offspeed stuff which leads to his inconsistent stats, but hopefully he’ll learn to make adjustments with age and experience. Here’s an old video of him from back in 2010, but it’s the best footage of him that I could find (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbma-29kP80). When it comes to defense his speed is average at best, but he has a great arm and profiles well as a right fielder (his 12 outfield assists in 2011 were more than double anyone else on the Loons). Heading into 2012 Garcia will most likely move up to HiA where he’ll again be one of the youngest players in the league.

Why #11:
I’ve always been a fan of Garcia, and I do look at his 2011 season as a success despite his ugly average and OPS. He showed his power potential with 19 homers and played great defense in right field. After playing in just 102 combine games from 2009 to 2010, Garcia participated in a team high 130 contests in 2011 so obviously he wore down in his first full season. He’s also just 20 years old, and if he continues to move up one level at a time he’ll reach AAA by the time he is 22. My only concern is the fact that he struggles with offspeed stuff because even if he makes adjustments, he’s going to be facing more advanced pitchers as he moves up through the system. Overall I think Garcia has the ceiling of a solid big league right fielder with 25 homer potential and the ability to hit for a decent average, so even though he’s a long way off from reaching the big league I think he ranks as one of the Dodgers top offensive prospects.

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Kyle Russell continues to fascinate me

The K’s might just always be an issue. But when you have his light tower power, plus he’s a solid fielder, it’s hard not to wonder why he shouldn’t get a shot. Especially when you see the Trent Oeltjens and other mediocrities get repeat chances. As a bench player, pinch hitter, I continue to be intrigued by him, as I have since he was drafted. Wonder if he’ll be a sleeper roster guy this coming season.

But when you have his light tower power, plus he’s a solid fielder, it’s hard not to wonder why he shouldn’t get a shot.

It is, but what should be extremely concerning is that any team could have taken him in the Rule V this year with these known upsides and no one bit. When a guy hits 26 years old and no one will even take a chance on him it’s a really bad sign.

True, I'd forgotten he was not rule 5 protected

Well he’d have to stick on a roster all season, and clearly no one thinks he’s quite ready for that. But I still think he’s gotta get a shot one of these days. Damnit Kyle, will you just quite striking out so damned much!

Want to see what he looks like this ST.

Those teams probably have their own Kyle Russell’s though…fringe guys.

I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the 2013 roster as a spot starter, power LH bat off the bench.

As he should :)

That power is so damn tempting.

Top Ten

In no particular order:

Lee
Eovaldi
Webster
Gould
Reed
Withrow
Baldwin
Pederson
Lindblom

Can't count

Martin makes the top ten from what I can tell.

you still going to Camelback this Spring?
Alright, I'll hand over the keys, but don't do anything crazy now

Wonder if News of the World bugged the O’Malleys too.

It’s just not as good as Night at the Opera.

Bugged O'Malley's Loo?

Oh, too.

Does anyone know when they release the player ratings for MLB 2k12?? Cant wait to see what rating Kemp and Kershaw get.

I would imagine Kershaw is in the 95-97 range.

And Kemp in the 94-96 range.

Hopefully they will finally give Kemp attributes in The Show than just the ability to have 99 contact against lefties

with no real power anywhere.

I only play the MLB 2k series.

Cause i have a 360.

Speaking of which, i can’t wait for Mass Effect 3.

Oh yeah, that sucks

MVP Baseball could be back next year!

MLB 2k8 and MLB 2k11 (the two i have) were actually pretty decent.

thats awesome, that gives me a great foundation to build around in Franchise mode.

Taylor

Are you really judging wright based off his injury filled 102 game season? Especially when the year before he opsed .850+? Come on dude.

Seems like there would be some merit in evaluating his most recent season.

only his last season?

What about a 3 year sample size maybe?

.284/.364/.463 line over the last 3 seasons. If you get him in a lineup with Kemp and Ethier, I think he actually has protection and his numbers (power to be specific) will rise.

If you really want to get into it

Weight the seasons so the most recent seasons are worth the most. 2011 is more indicative of his 2012 season than 2009 will be.

If that’s what you want to do just take 2010 and 2011, the results will be more power less OBP.

Wright, Bay, Duda, Davis

Be interesting to see how the new dimensions of Citi Field affect them

How far did they move the fences in?

Hopefully enough :)

I'll bet you that he WAR's under 4 this year.

I’m always willing to make bets :)

I believe I already have one with Nolander that Wright will out- fWAR Callaspo, but I’d be willing to bet (if he is healthy and plays at least 130 games) he will have higher than a 4 fWAR.

I’ll take an offensive bet, not going to go down the one year defensive metric hell hole that is is WAR. 800 OPS in 2012?

Oh absolutely

What’s the stakes?

Oh you're betting with him

This is a suckers bet if you are betting the under, which I realize you aren’t.

How about i bet OPS < .825

You have .825 or higher.

I’ll take that bet for sure, but still sounds like you have him with a really good season.

about 125 OPS points higher then our bounce back 3rd baseman

I'm not saying there's no chance of him returning to 2010 form

But do you really want to bet the farm on it?

Absolutely

But as has been pointed out by David and Phil, that likely won’t be necessary. If it were necessary, and there was something worked out where Wright would accept his 2013 option, I’d be ok with Lee being the headliner of the trade.

David Wright isn’t worth Lee IMO. As mentioned below, if we’re gonna trade him it should be for Votto.

Yes, I"m sure the Reds would be interested in trading a top five NL player for the 62nd top prospect in America.

I'm talking 2013

That’s when a) Lee should make his mark in Double-A and become a Top 25 prospect and b) Votto will start making $17 million in a walk year. I’m thinking it might get a little more doable at that point.

Of course, it would be like a 4-for-1.

Okay, I just don’t see the Reds trading Alonzo if they were not considering going all in on Votto.

Not for just half a year

If it’s 2013 as well, with a chance to extend him, absolutely.

It wouldn't take or be worth Lee to get him.

Eovaldi and Sands + a couple of random #8-20 org prospects is probably around what he would go for.

Rankings look solid

Surprised to see Sanchez so low, but you explained why.

Thought Tolleson would rank higher, too.

Looks like Brandon thinks of Silverio as sort of like a (non-Dodgers edition) Juan Encarnacion.

I can’t wait to hear Charley Steiner pronounce Silverio.

he'll refer to him as his jersey number

And he and Rick will giggle about it for 5 minutes

In the writers box at Camelback, do they pump in the Dodgers radio feed?

Nope, it is pretty quiet in there unless one of the televisions is turned up.

to rhyme with Canyonero!

Silverio would be thrilled to have Juan Encarnacion’s major league career

I'd rather save my trade chips for Votto than Wright

Toronto is the main competition and they have way better prospects, IF the Reds feel they can’t extend him, that is.

Of course if Jim Loney is for real then all bets are off.

The love for Jim is cute and all, but Loney has shown who he is. He’s JT Snow with the bat and Todd Helton with the glove. He’s perfectly serviceable in a pinch, but not someone to build a team around.

Well, if he OPSes .900 it’s on, if not (and I think we’re lucky if he cracks .800 this year), time to move on. So, probably time to move on.

I just don’t know why he gets an if. His hot second half came after four years of mediocrity.

Because the universe is a mystery

2006 – great
2007 – great
2008 – bad
2009 – bad
2010 – bad
2011 – very bad / incredibly great

Unlike you, I have no idea what to expect from James/Jim Loney in 2012

and he is 27, so he is just entering his prime!

Time for a run of two incredibly great seasons!

2011 was how many games you are including in the incredibly great column?

2007 was a great year for him

Just not a full season. He was also very good pre allstar break 2010, I think he pulled something in St Louis the first series of the 2nd half.

For 2012 I’d be one happy Dodger fan if he gave us an .820 OPS.

an. 800 ops is all-star quality and i just don’t see liney reaching that. .900 would take nothing short of a miracle

loney either

Since when did a .800 OPS for a 1st baseman became All-star quality?

Gaby Sanchez says hi.

You mean the Gaby Sanchez who had a .846 OPS at the all-star break?

If you are going to use “all-star” game as the criteria then I’ll stay silent cause I’ve seen some real POS seasons make the “all-star” game.

since they all moved to the AL?

are you talking about Loney or wright

because you said Loney either right after.

good think Jose Bautista showed who he is early on, I hate waiting…. im just playing.

blake smith

his swing is of the smooth, lefty variety but it also looks a little long, no?

Like Andre Ethier.

seems like a solid prospect

somehow went under my radar when I was looking at box scores last year..

He should be the cream of the Van Slyke, Silverio, Songco, Kyle Russell, Castle variety

I hope Lemmerman hits well enough to get a shot at second base next season.

Btw, this is a pretty strong second ten here, imho

Stronger than it could have been for LA in some of the previous few years. Very few blue chippers in org’s top 20, still, but a lot of solid + potential + depth, for once.

BA rankings - what do they mean

In 2005, James Loney was number 62 (he was 4th out of 7 Dodger prospects ranked in the top 100). The next year, 2006, he was unranked. In 2007, he was number 44 (he was 4th out of 4 Dodger prospects).

So in 3 seasons, he went from 62, not ranked and back to 44.

Also note that outside of 2006, Loney was always ranked in the top 100 when he was eligible.

That doesn't mean much

As this guy can attest

Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:
Pre-2005: Rated #83 Prospect
Pre-2006: Rated #3 Prospect
Pre-2007: Rated #8 Prospect
Pre-2008: Rated #16 Prospect
Or this guy
Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:
Pre-2005: Rated #74 Prospect
Pre-2006: Rated #19 Prospect
Pre-2007: Rated #19 Prospect
Pre-2008: Rated #31 Prospect

Looks like Andy LaRoche

Probably but the point stands, prospects fail alot. Which is why Kershaw is all the more awesome, he lived upto the hype and he’s ours.

Yep. The previous one was Brandon Wood.

Just look at every 3rd base prospect in this century and how BA rated them and how the turned out. Dismal shit.

Evan Longoria. Ryan Zimmerman. David Wright.

Those are the successes:
Andy Marte
Andy LaRoche
Alvarez

Hell I’m still in the A’s:)

Wilson Betemit :)

Nuff Said

Okay, if we are going to include minor league SS who we knew were going to become 3rd baseman:
2000 – Drew Henson number 24
2000 – Mike Lamb number 71
2000- Adam Piatt number 93
2000 – Boom Boom Betemit – 99
2001 – Sean Burroughs number 6
2001 – Drew Henson number 14
2001 – Antonio Perez number 16
2001 – Boom Boom Betemit 29
2001 – Joe Crede 36
2001 – Tony Torcato – 60
2001 – Lance Niekro – 85
2001 – Tony Blanco – 87
2002 – Hank Blalock – 3
2002 – Sean Burroughs – 4
2002 – Boom Boom Betemit – 8
2002 – Drew Henson – 9
2002 – David Kelton – 45
2002 – Antonio Perez – 52
2002 – Corey Smith – 73 – ha ha
2002 – Tony Blanco – 93
2002 – Joe Crede 94
2003 – Boom Boom – 49 (now listed at 3rd)
2004 – Andy Marte 11
2004 – Dallas McPherson – 33
2004 – Ian Stewart – 57
2004 – Matt Moses – 81
2005 – Ian Stewart -4
2005 – Joel Guzman – 5
2005 – Andy Marte – 9
2005 – Dallas McPherson – 12
2005 – Eric Duncan – 36
2005 – Andy Laroche – 74
2005 – Brandon Wood – 83
2005 – Mark Teahen – 85
2005 – Josh Fields – 95
2006 – Brandon Wood – 3
2006 – Andy Marte – 14
2006 – Alex Gordon – 13
2006 – Ian Stewart – 16
2006 – Andy LaRoche – 19
2006 – Zimmerman – 15 – YEA
2006 – Joel Guzman – 26
2006 – Matt Moses – 75
2006 – Blake DeWitt – 82
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Matt Kemp was 96 in 2006 (OOPS)

Burroughs and Woods have got to be the biggest busts

Burroughs had some success in the major leagues at least. Brandon Wood and Andy Marte are among the biggest busts in history.

Marte has at least been injured a few times I believe

Wood has just sucked.

Marte was superhyped. He was once thought to be Chipper’s heir apparent.

I started

Off trying to find a player who had jumped 30+ spots in the ranking. My best guess is that if someone had that good a season, he would be in the big leagues.

Can’t imagine it’s too rare, it would just take a lower ranked guy from under AA having a huge season.

Jay Gibbons, Milwaukee Brewer.

To think of the discussions we had about Jay Gibbons at this time last year. Someone was trying to convince me he was going to be our starting left fielder.

He didn't see that coming

Had to replace Prince somehow.

A note for anyone planning trips to spring training

Not sure if this helps or not, just found it possibly useful, from the Dodgers:

New for 2012, fans can ride a free trolley from the Westgate City Center to all Dodgers and White Sox games at Camelback Ranch – Glendale. The trolley stop is located on Westgate Boulevard right across from Yard House and drops off outside the ballpark. The trolley runs every 40 minutes starting at 11:00 a.m. with continuous service throughout and after the game
For context

How far away is the Westgate City Center from the field?

That, I do not know….yet

it is per Google Maps

5 miles away, it is Northeast of Camelback. Gordon Biersch is there too, that is where a father/son Padre fans yelled at me for wearing a Dodger cap.

did you tell them to fuck off?? Doesnt Gordon Biersch have garlic fries? I need to try that place.

Isn’t Gordon Biersch the same place where the UCLA fan was a total dick to you for some reason?

yep

One and the same, they were also Padre fans

I have my reasons for classifying people :)

More cannon fodder

I'll start a pool

on how many don’t get past the Yard House

Is this the shopping center with Kabuki where we ate at last year?

If Sands starts in AAA as expected

Do we use him at 1B or in LF? Gotta make room for Van Slyke, Silverio, Castle, and Oeltjen.

Castle will play some 2b/3B. And Sands is one of the top 5 or 6 hitters in the entire org right now. You don’t let Oeltjen or any of those other guys block him even in the least.

Russell – RF
Silverio – CF
Sands – LF
Van Slyke – 1st

Maybe rotating Sands and Van Slyke between 1st and LF since they seem to want them to be able to play both positions.

What are you going to do with Castle, DeJesus and Oeltjen?

Castle, IDJ and Sellers man 2B, SS and 3B in some combination, and nobody gives a crap about Oeltjen. There is also a DH slot.

yeah, give Oetjen the boot.

What numbers was Castle on Brandon’s list? Anyone remember?

Castle at 3rd?

I thought it was just 2nd

him an Van Slyke

Will probably switch between LF and 1B

Speaking of the Topes

Does anyone know how one could purchase a fitted on field cap without actually driving to New Mexico?

Their website doesn’t offer them.

Maybe once the season starts?

New Era shop son! http://shop.neweracap.com/nshop/product.php?view=detail&productid=NE-MILBTEAM-ALIS&startColor=teamcolor&useGN=1&groupName=MenMiBL

that is a sick ass cap, but I stick with the big leagues.

or Lids.. This one has the red bill…. which is the one they use the most?? I think the all black one is way better IMO… http://www.lids.com/MiLB/Albuquerque-Isotopes/20213245

The red bill is ugly…

AWESOME. But wow, that’s expensive shit.

When the Isotopes season starts, I’ll see if its any cheaper here.

yeah i know, shit is expensive but thats NEW ERA caps for you…. maybe see if you can find a promo code or something. I go to retailmenot…. Or I know Lids has a buy 1, get 1 half off…. so maybe if you wanted 2 hats, that would make it better.

Also looks like Lids provides free ship to store, so you can save on shipping fees. I dont know if Lids stores in the mall would carry that hat or not. The only New Era stores in LA is on Melrose.

I’m loving the number of articles that are getting posted on here….it’s time for baseball again :)

a the an some

Whaddya know, VeroJoe?

Same stuff different day…..how bout you?

Trying to recover from shitty morning. March 5th is circled on my calendar as first ST game, though we might see an intrasquad before then.

:( It’s depressing they aren’t in Vero anymore….maybe I should move out west ;)

you could be

JoeCamelback

Or CamelJoe

Sounds too much like cameltoe…..I’d never hear the end of it.

That was the point :)

Let’s not split hairs.

WOW! Nice Kinbote

It’s TBLA After Dark somewhere.

Any Gary Carter stories Joe?

Brandon

Great list. You make compelling cases for all your rankings. Some feedback: Tolleson at #17 is the only real head-scratcher for me. If he’s in fact hitting 96 as you say, he figures to be a near-lock to appear in a big league bullpen someday. While that might not be the sexiest ceiling, in our system that accounts for a lot. As I said, small disagreement there. I like your write-ups of Lemmerman, Songco, & Smith. I admit I sometimes forget about these guys when I’m thinking of our high-voltage arms or toolsy young outfielders. If Lemmerman can even figure as a part-time 2b/3b that could be useful some day. I guess we’ll all see on Russell. Maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to extend Ethier with all the potential RFers you mentioned today :)

As always, amazing effort and terrific read.

Tollson was a tough one to rank

I considered him as high as 12, but every time I put him head to head against #’s 12 – 16 I had the other player winning in terms of who I thought was a better prospect. I am def rooting for him though and hope he proves that he should have been in my top 10

Great analysis as always Brandon…..Tolleson was my only shocker, but that happened to me in the TBLA vote as well. I just assumed that I overvalue him & Late Night. Time will tell.

It’s also a bit strange to have a guy that’s always been a reliever (at least in the minors). I don’t know the numbers, but I’d imagine the vast majority of major league relievers began their minor league careers as starters. Tolleson seems to have been a pen piece from the get go. I wonder if that’s because of his modest pedigree or something we saw as fitting in the pen. In any event, he’ll be one to follow closely.

He was a starter in highschool then blew out his arm. My guess would be he came back in limited capacity and had success so stuck in relief. That’s a half ass guess….but a guess nonetheless.

yeah from what i remember

they were planning to move him back to the rotation in 2011, but like you said he was so good and his cutter was so unhittable they just decided to keep him in the bullpen

odds tell us that

It would be extremely fortunate for one of these 190 prospects to have any kind of a career in the majors.

Well that’s depressing.

Only if you dwell on it. Instead dwell on the fact that if Brandon had done this for the 2006 organization you would have
Kershaw, Billingsley, Loney, Kemp making an impact with Martin, Broxton, Kuo having moved on after making an impact.

In 2011
You had
Sands, Gordon, AJ Ellis, Rubby, Eovaldi, Lindblom all helping the team from the top 200 list.

oh, and that guy Jansen and his buddy Javy

Well that’s uplifting.

Just call me counterweight, I can go either way but the end result is balance

I did say 190 prospects purposely

Excluding the top ten. But you are right Eovaldi, Elbert, Guerra and Lindblom all were outside that group.

In previous years, Sands and de la Rosa were out of the top 10 also.

I think that's also a bit hyperbolic

yeah the odds are against any prospect being a star, but the odds are a bit better that a few of the 190 guys listed will have a major league career. In fact I’d be willing to bet on five of them having a good ML career (though by the time either of us could collect we’ll probably be living in a retirement home on the moon).

Sadly, BH is way closer to right. If you draft one guy who goes on to have a good ML career a year you’re doing pretty good.

maybe we also need to define what good ML career means?

say, 5 years in the bigs, contributing player at your position?

You don’t think there’ll be 5 out of every 200 or so who end up fitting that? (Knowing it varies from year to year, list to list… but from this list at least, I see 5 guys who will fit that description above.)

But yes, not disagreeing with general statement that odds are long and not good.

say, 5 years in the bigs, contributing player at your position?

The average big league career is way shorter than most people think. Only one in every seven players that takes a big league at bat will go on to accumulate five WAR in their career.

Damn, Tony!

Washing and combing one’s hair must be a tough road to hoe

row!

I hoe you row

row hoe, row hoe, a pirates life for me!!!

Hoeing a road

is dangerous work too

nice posture by Tony also

Seems like a small group covering the Dodgers. One has to wonder what the first day in Vero Beach was like in 1956. 20 Reporters? 30?

Today Tim Brown from Yahoo! was here (he is front left), as was Jon Morosi of Fox Sports. The dude on the left (behind Brown and Tony Jackson) was a dude from AP and I forgot his name.

That was it today.

I can’t wait for Uribe to arrive. If he’s not looking tight, it’ll be Andruw 2.0.

does no one use a recorder?

Mattingly speaks so softly they might be useless. One thing you could count on Torre, his voice carried.

Does mattingly really have that much to say?

All of us are holding a recorder in our left hand (me, Tony, and Dylan, that is)

Aha

Marty is used to these type recorders

I remember

when the biggest status symbol you could have was a reel-to-reel as part of your stereo system. you were serious about your music then.

I miss the whole concept of sides on albums. Has been completely lost.

I can’t say I was privy to listening to much music that way, but I kind of agree. I like the idea of B-sides and that Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands took up the whole B side of Blonde on Blonde.

funny you say that

cuz Blood on the Tracks is one of the albums that best fits into the two separate sides listening experience. Really, any good concept album too.

I think Bringing It All Back Home is a better example with the electric A side and acoustic B side.

in college i had to learn how to splice the tape

to edit things. the very next semester we were editing on computers

hey Phil, HJ and Dave

What’s a Thomas Guide again? :)

It is what we used to navigate the tough urban areas know as the mean streets of LA.

I’ve used one! Those things are difficult

You young lady are way to smart to say that.

I’ve known very very smart people who could not read a Thomas Guide. The first concept they have trouble with is the East / West / North / South

some people just can't read maps

no matter how hard you try to teach it to them the just don’t get it

It had nothing to do with reading a map. It had everything to do with the mischance that everytime I got lost I seemed to do it in a place that was on the very edge of a page.

Two turn tables

and a microphone.

You appear to be more fixated on Tony’s hair than on D2X.

Not that I care personally, but If Dylan keeps gaining weight, will Hank Schulman start mocking him back on twitter

(god that whole thing got tiresome)

Eric should ask Dylan again about how Kuroda was only going to pitch for the Dodgers in 2012

Eric are you rocking a Beard?

Eric and Jon

Weisman sport preseason beards

Casey Blake approves!

Jon trying to find himself will not be happy to find his beard peppered with grey

I keep telling myself it adds character, but in my head I can hear Walt and Keith saying, “Reeeeeeejected”

those ads have put mankind back 227 years

Your beard is weird.

Your stache is trash.

I love those commercials.

Eric also sports an in-season and post-season beard

Eric sports I’m way to fucking lazy to shave for a few weeks type of beard. He’s never committed to it.

Not true!

In the last 6 weeks or so I have kept this beard at roughly the length of a No. 2 razor.

I’m no Rick Aguilera, but this thing is sharp.

Soon to appear on Chopped.

So you can wear it while you take the SATs.

beards are way too itchy I dont know how people stand it… unless it gets better the longer it gets… but after a week of not shaving I just cant handle it anymore.

Yeah, it gets better. The best part is stroking the beard as you pretend to think.

I've never known

a woman who liked beards.

i did

First wife loved my beard, second wife hates facial hair

and i've known many.

howabout that

yeah my chick thinks if not shaving often makes you look homeless.

I always wanted to get a bumper sticker that said

If you lived here you’d be homeless by now

is that a real one?

because if not, you could be making a fortune in the bumber sticker biz

I like them.

I’ve almost never known a woman….

that's one TBLA gal

what say the rest of them?

to clarify

I don’t want like epic ZZ top beard. But I like facial hair. I prefer my men to look like men.

I never got the memo that facial hair makes men look like men…. what about long hair??

damn hippies

There's pictures of me floating around

when I had thick, bushy hair down to my shoulders

with beads around your neck and flowers on your brow?

So you are saying

I look unmanly and should grow back the mustache?

They dislike razor burn on their thighs.

bow chicka wow wow

I always put my recorder under my notebook where I take notes. Always, always have a back up plan for a recorder — they always seem to fuck up somehow.

Those bald guys without hats are asking for skin cancer.

I got the same hair that Tony Jackson has going on right now. But my excuse is because I’m growing it out for Locks for Love.

Fantasy Baseball Related

Narrowing down my keeper list and it looks like I need to decide between Lonnie Chisenhall (when I already have Mike Moustoukas) and Alex White. I’m really not high on either one so are there any strong opinions either way?

Alex White will suck and even if he does not suck do you want to root for him to be any good?

Can you deal the both of them for something better?

Maybe I can get a late draft pick but not much else.

I’d go with Chisenhall, but I guess it partly depends on the rest of your roster in terms of pitching.

I like Chisenhall. His power is unreal.

BTW Brandon, I like the use of penultimate. It is one of my favorite words.

thanks...it's one of my favorites as well

there are only so many times I can use it, so i take advantage when possible

This is great
JoshLindblom52
We all know that @truebluela and @dodgerscribe need a little comedy in their life, and I am here to bring it.
Hopefully

he didn’t think that tweet was funny

Lindblom is becoming a favorite of mine

Why do they call it SLG% when it’s not a percentage?

Batting average isn’t really an average either.

Batting average = percentage of hits during your official at bats

“Percent” means “out of 100.” So there’s that.

“Average” is the sum of elements in a set divided by the number of elements in a set. Batting “average” should really be called batting “probability” (desired outcomes)/(total outcomes).

I think average is an ok: if a player is 1 for 5, then you would add 0, 0, 0,1,0 which equals 1 and then would divide by 5 which gives you an average of .200.

Though probability is ok as well

Potentially, but that take on average is artificial. You’re circumventing the process to make the term work. Probability is absolutely the better term.

Yes, it is an average. It is the average number of hits that you get per official at bat.

This is not going to end well

correction: of course you can’t get less than a hit for one at bat. It really gives you the chances that you will get a hit for a given at bat.

on average if you hit 30 then you get 3 hits every 10 at bats :)

That means nothing. If we’re arguing math vocabulary, which we are, I am unequivocally correct.

You totes are.

He’s not in a transitive mood

If we’re arguing math vocabulary, which we are

slow day :)

mugire: bellow like a cow.

muuuuugire. MUUUUUGire.

I love latin sometimes

is it true if you know latin

it’s easier to learn a lot of other languages?

latin is the “mother”, so to speak, of the romance language (roman, get it). so from latin you get romanian, spanish, french, portuguese and italian.

learning latin would help you with those. on a personal note, it helps me learn languages better because i finally understand grammar. My understanding of English grammar and syntax only really happened when I learned Latin

isn’t greek older?

i'm not really too sure on that

latin, sanskrit, and classical greek are said to come from an indo-european root, and thus have many similarities in terms of syntax, case declination and the way in which those cases are governed in a given language.

Latin culture = Roman culture is certainly derivative of Greek culture, though.

Sumerian is even older than Greek, but nobody speaks it either.

How old is Hebrew?

luckily i'm not a math nerd like a lot of people in here

So it’s not a real bother to me :)

Yet you somehow felt a need to argue.

haaaaave you met 4down?

my favorite post maybe ever :)

………..it’s the internet

this answer is also accepted

here’s a dr pepper for you troubles

i refer to the two responses below

Also: boredom

it is a percentage.

all percentage means is a ratio out of 100 (per-cent). slugging percentage is the ratio of total bases out of 100 at bats.

No, it’s a decimal, usually given in thousandths, not hundredths.

the decimal just indicates that it’s a ratio, and how far the mathematician extrapolates it out is completely irrelevant. thus, matt kemp’s .586 slugging percentage in 2011 indicates that he averaged 58.6 total bases per 100 at bats (or 58.6%)

Of course it is, but it is not a percentage unless you call it 58.6%, which nobody does.

if you ever graded (or even taken) a test, you know that your score always comes back as a percentage. If i got a 32/35 on a test, i divide 32 by 35 and i get .91428…, but of course we know that my score on the test is ~91%.

Your score only comes out as a percentage when you make it a percentage. .91428… is not a percentage, it is a decimal.

I just mentioned the “fog of war” in my history seminar, as in the “fog of war” you get in video games, and yet this STILL is more nerdy than that.

It’s an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill

the horror

the horror………

that's why it's out of every at bat

Again, the terminology is imprecise. The logic is sound. “Everyone” know what the terms mean, they are just used incorrectly.

I say we start moving the decimal back where it belongs!
it's a percentage of total bases

per at bat.

sorry if this has been answered

are the spring training games going to be on the radio?

Yes, quite a few

Schedule

sweet

i wonder they’ll play on the iheartRadio app

if*

I have tryed them for when the were broadcasting NFL games and it went to the stations internet filler station. So I doubt that they will.

yeah my bro told me that happend during the super bowl

if that is true i shall be cross

X or +

this one

>:(

Hey that looks like me when I try listening to games on iheart radio.

That looks like you when the waitresses at Big Wangs ignore you.

I’m looking forward to Eric life blogging the intra squad games

The Dodgers are offering a new promotion, a free line with Ronald Belisario with a purchase of two Dodgers tickets.

one line just makes you want more…. I guess I could buy 100 tickets

all the tailfins you could want

The 1958 fords

That poster

Is right up my alley.

I suspected this was posted by Josie, I’m shocked at how wrong I was

I wish I had posted it, that post is awesome

58 was a great year:)

I owned a ’58 Ford station wagon. Lived in it for the summer of ’69. (Me and Jackson Browne called the road our own.)

Love the cars

hate the slogan. With “have” showing up in the parenthetical, “We HAVE a car for You” would have been better.

And I just noticed there are Edsels in there!

California is least favorite state in the Union

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/02/state-favorability-poll.html

East Coast Privilege.

West Coast Flava!

hm.

i guess that’s not very surprising. i would’ve though new jersey would’ve topped california though.

I'm trying to figure out why people hate Illinois so much
yeah

i really don’t get that.

last 2 governors are in prison

Worst credit in the United States
Corruption, taxes, state cant pay its bills….its nasty.

It has all the problems that California has, with way worse weather and no scenery or landmarks.

that makes much more sense to me than the obama explanation.

Do you think that John Q American gives two craps about Illinois’ billpaying?

they know our last 2 governors are in prison

and Al Capone still leaves a stench i think

I only knew one of them was in prison

but chicago does have a history of political corruption

Yeah, not like every other major city

Its all relative

that’s just like, your opinion, man

george ryan currently in prison

Blago goes in during April serving 12yrs…

while my first answer was because the state government is utterly fucked, unless this pole was conducted in Illinois, how many people know that the state government is fucked?

they don’t need to know the details of it to know that it’s fucked. about half of the people polled had no opinion of illinois at all. it’s fairly plausible that the other half (or at least a fraction of that other half) know the something about its state problems over the last few years or so. plus, there are several other states that got much higher unfavorability rates from conservatives (massachusetts for one) than illinois, so while the obama thing might be a part of it, it’s probably more of a combination of things, including trivialities like weather and sports teams.

they don’t need to know the details of it to know that it’s fucked.

it’s not like it’s detroit, which is known by EVERYONE to be fucked.

true

or baltimore. but those seem to be different kinds of fucked.

Detroit

may be the OBP of cities

/cityball

i'm shocked michigan has a +17 favorability..

i figured everyone would be like Detroit sucks…so the state must as well

it's shaped like a mitt

it just looks so cute!

aaaand
Republicans love Alaska (65-3) and Texas (66-9), and absolutely hate California (12-68), followed distantly by Illinois (15-44) and Massachusetts (19-47).

That means that they hated Illinois more than Massachusetts.

they should..

democrats have a super majority in Illinois.

Mass has a GOP governor and GOP senator

and gay marriage. and the kennedys.

btw

where are the mods? we are breaking SO MANY rules right now

Eh whatever. It’s almost quitting time.

If this was noon I would have banned all of you!

Jackin up some poor storekeeper

before buying some drugs and making some porn film

Illinois has gay marriage too though

more reasons to hatehatehatehate

look at the numbers again. IL had lover favorability, but MA had higher unfavorability. plus, I didn’t say Republicans, I said conservatives. 58% of very conservative were unfavorable on MA, 49% on IL.

see thats surprising...has to be the Kennedy residual effects..

i’d think conservatives would dislike illinois way more than Mass, but i’m biased since i live here.

i think MA will always stand as the american center of liberalism (along with CA and NYC). fuck, conservatives call it taxachusetts

Home of B. Hussein Obama.

This is absolutely the reason!

A certain president (not naming names) is from there.

Dear Nolij and Reg

Thank you.

Thats the reason people would hate a state?? wtf

newsflash: people stupid

stupid film at 11

Stupid digital file

/Humma

yeah.

i actually don’t buy that argument.

Good, cos it’s not for sale

Chicago

Its a cesspool.
I will escape soon

Chicago

is my second favorite city

you wouldnt think that

if you lived there

I could spend days just on the architecture and museums. Then there’s the food and the history.

let me know when you leave so I can go there without the universe imploding in the event of you and G meeting

Sweet Home

Chicagooooooooo

so why do people hate CA?

they fear us

thats right, they better.

hollywood

everything about it

ninth circuit court

I’d say San Francisco, then Hollywood.

Traffic and smog too. Even though neither is that bad

hollywood

so all the stars and stuff you mean? So seems like that was a political kinda poll, so maybe its part politics, part religion based, sexuality based, and then just jealousy.

You realize we’re just making things up (or guessing.) People didn’t actually cite the Lakers for hating CA. I just assume that’s the case.

The Lakers
Can you blame them?

ofcourse not, you cant blame people for hating success, its the American way… Having people hate you just shows how successful you are. If you dont have haters, you dont matter.

i was gonna respond

but I knew whatever you were gonna post would be better than anything I had to say. LOL

speaking of the Lakers

I hope we win today, because I don’t have much faith they can beat OKC on friday

exactly I agree, tonight is the game they better get because they most likely get spanked tomorrow…. but with they way they play on the road, they could lose both… really need a win tonight though.

indeed

OKC is mopping the floor with the Celtics right now

Also

The Giants

earthquakes

i think alot of that poll is about vacationing…hawaii got the best rating…

Most of the states in the bottom of that list you wouldnt be vacationing in.

yeah, I was thinking I bet most of those people never even been to Hawaii… I havent either, looks great on commercials, doesnt look so good on Dog the Bounty Hunter though.

exactly.

this is why perception polls are interesting, because they’re not based in people’s factual knowledge of something. in a weird way, it says more about the media than the american people.

I never been to hawaii either but everything i read about it or heard from people that have visited say it has bad drug problems…lots of meth.

probably from lack of things you can do being stuck on an island. But yeah, you see that in the show I said.

I also think there is just a lot of poverty in hawii

but I could be wrong

yes

hm.

hawaii seems like one of those “great place to visit, bad place to live”

as are most places that rely on a tourist industry, i’d bet

or whos main exports are now being grown elsewhere for cheaper
ya'll are going to the wrong parts of hawaii

go to maui, don’t go too far inland, hang out at the beach all day long and when you aren’t doing that go golfing.

But that's

like telling people to go to Disneyland and ignore Anaheim and Santa Ana

and?
I mean yeah go to disneyland, park there, and then drive straight to the freeway to get home
is santa monica

the best place to live in California that is still in the price range of normal people?

Santa Monica is out of reach for normal people

was baron davis really wealthy growing up?

He went to Crossroads

Fun fact about Los Angeles: You can go to school in a place without living in that place! I grew up in Sherman Oaks, I went to North Hollywood. You can go to private school in one place (Crossroads) and live in another.

sounds like a hassle

unless you were doing it for a specific reason given the traffic and time to get from place to place…

from my understanding, if you have the money to afford private school in la, you do it. where i’m from, my family probably could’ve afforded private school for me but it wasn’t ever a thought that crossed anyone’s mind.

i can understand all the ballers

going to Long Beach Poly or something…but Crossroads doesnt have much athletic tradition at all so when Baron Davis came out of there i just figured he lived there

Long Beach Poly is far far far away from Santa Monica, though.

Jordan Farmar went to Taft HS, which as far as I know isn’t really a basketball powerhouse as far as SoCal is concerned. He did it because Taft is where you go after you go to Portola MS.

It’s really hard to go to a public school for a sport

Maybe he and his family were interested in other things private schooling may have to offer.

it depends on what you want and what private school you’re talking about. Harvard Westlake? Absolutely. Montclair? Meh. :)

It’s because the LAUSD blows a lot. Like, a lot a lot. So some people went to magnet programs (like me and Nolij) and some people go private school if they don’t do a magnet program or an academy/can afford it.

My understanding of Crossroads is that it’s “alternative” from traditional schooling.

Right, Grandma Davis did right by Baron

Not gonna argue with you in this particular place, but I can’t let this stand without objection.

IMO, Santa Monica isn’t even the best place to live in LA that is in the price range of normal people.

also,

what meercatjohn said

And that would be…Silverlake?

are gay people “normal”:)

I really enjoy West Hollywood.

Best city in Los Angeles Area

i'm glad you guys think so

it makes me feel a bit better about paying to live there. it really is a great city. i think culver city should also get a mention.

idk

i like silverlake. my girlfriend wants to move somewhere around there, echo park, los feliz, or hollywood. they’re all cheaper than WeHo (where we live now), and honestly, i don’t know if WHo is in the price range of normal people. i’ve got decent rent there and still feel like im paying out the ass.

what's your rent

silverlake/echo park are nice on that side of the hill.

i really like sherman oaks, a lot.

1250 for a decently sized upstairs 1 bedroom.

of all the places i’ve been in the valley (which isn’t too many) sherman oaks is my favorite.

also

i like the eagle rock/highland park area, even if they’re a bit sketchier.

we’re paying 1250 for a one bedroom and I would say that’s about normal for a nice area.

I’d love to live in Pasadena

and where are you again?

sherman oaks or weho or..?

Sherman Oaks, right by Ventura Blvd.

If I lived at your place

I’d be almost home right now

California is a huge huge place, bro.

You’re going to have to define “normal”, too, and what you’re looking for. A room? An apartment? House?

And no. Santa Monica is considered expensive. I’d say parts of the Valley are fairly reasonable.

middle class income

not brentwood or beverly hills

I’d say Santa Monica is on the same level, if not the tier just below.

wow..

i thought santa monica was a notch below malibu, pacific palisades, brentwood…

those laguna beach kids houses i could not afford.

There’s houses in Sherman Oaks, Encino, Porter Ranch that are a mil+. Los Angeles, she is expensive.

You wanna talk ridiculous? Hidden Hills. Holy wow.

I got into Hidden Hills once. Once!
Nice place. Doesn’t Vin live there?

depends. parts of brentwood are “upper middle class” (by LA standards) and parts are OJ Simpson and Britney Spears. Malibu and Pacific Palisades seem to be all wealth.

i do know one young couple that live in santa monica. they pay ~1600 for rent and they roughly have similar paying jobs to my girlfriend and i. i dont know how they swing it.

Britney lives at the end of Parkway Calabasas, but it is in a 7-8 Miliion Dollar house.

Santa Monica has three area’s. The houses above Montana are elite, mostly Condo’s and Apartments between Montana and Pico, below Pico near the College, very small expensive houses.

Santa Monica

also has some very sketchy parts. 20th and Pico is no picnic some nights. At least it was like that in the 80’s

Even Irvine has... no it doesn't

I couldn’t type that with a straight face

and then equating disneyland to all of SoCal or Orange County etc

so just avoid anything non-vacation-y..

sounds like the type of advice given when visiting Cancun or Dominican Republic..

If all you hear or read about Hawaii relates to meth, you’re doing it wrong.

don’t forget about all the gays here

and all the pot smoking

and everybody is too busy surfing to do an honest days work

Surfing

before they punch in for gang-banging

we fuck anything that moves

we’re too stoned to care!

it’s amazing how there was no lack of explanations as to why people hate california. and i still feel like there’s a lot that people haven’t mentioned.

plus i knew Colorado would be high up on the list..

They have great scenery…so why not?
And no real negatives…unless someone just hates Coors Light or Tim Tebow

Colorado is boooooooooring

i think of the rocky mountains

and skiing when i think colorado…not much else.

I hate both of them!

seriously

bud light is so much better

Miller Lite

IT’S TRIPLE HOPS BREWED SON!!

the New Jersey hate

is strictly from Jersey Shore though right?

The New Jersey Hate

is a great team name

But the Houston Hate

It alliterates!

New Jersey has ALWAYS

been considered a shithole by everyone everywhere

yeah

pre-jersey shore, NJ has been considered the anus of the east coast

Yet Jersey

has maybe the greatest golf course in the world that no one has ever played. Pine Valley

I consider the Tidewater area of Virginia to be the Anus of the East coast.

i think of landfills and mob families when i think of Jersey..

but never enough to literally “hate” the state…

i think of endless traffic. living in new jersey seems to have everything bad about living in nyc, and none of the good.

thats true

i also have a perception of Jersey shore as being filled with needles and garbage…but it may be completely wrong…they may have great beaches?

All these people seem to like the New Jersey shore

And yet it is called The Garden State

Some areas of New Jersey are quite beautiful. Of course they have their areas of urban blight like other places.

West Coast

is Best Coast. California is the most. All the hate is conservative hicks :p

Moving on to baseball for the moment

ESPN.com had a list of the longest All-Star drought at any position for each team?

Can you name the position, year and player for both the Dodgers and Angels who were on that list?

i’m gonna guess first base for the dodgers, but i have no idea who the last would’ve been. garvey?

Didnt Karros make an ASG once? maybe not.

never.

i’ve always wanted someone to put together a list of best players never to have an all-star selection because i seriously think karros would be toward the top of that list.

yeah he was 5th in MVP voting in 95, I wonder who made the AS team at 1B then…

probably jeff bagwell

coming off of his mvp season

I guess he didnt, so 1B would be my guess also.

Shortstop?

Was Russell ever an all-star?

No way, Furcal just make the ASG a few years ago.

He did?

no memory. I blame the cocaine I sold Bellesario

if it's not 1b or ss

it has to be 3b. ron cey?

Beltre.

wow.

if outfield is broken into specifics, then left field?

Sheffield maybe, not sure though.

I love how disdainfully Reg is answering this, as if to say, C’MON

and i counter his c'mon with one of my own

belre was not selected as an all-star with the dodgers.

Bwaaaahhh?

Wow, Rolen and Cabrera instead.

This is fun.

I am retroactively upset.

you should be

retroactively outraged

Futurama

“madam is outraged!”

its fun to see Kendrys Morales got 5th place in the MVP vote but didn’t go the AS game

lol

i still remind my Angel fan boss of his anger that the Angels didn’t resign Texieria, as they gave up Kotchman for him.

“who the hell is Kendry Morales?”

I also didn't really know who the hell he was tbh

yeah it has to 3B.. it is 3B

Cey says no

but I guess he meets the before their existence

Mike Shaperson was last 3B, which was in 92, so that doesnt fit before that comment… but OFers going into the ASG as OF, not exact position I dont think.

Mike Sharperson

may have played 3B in 1992 (as well as 2B) but he is listed as a 2B in the All-Star game info I saw. The box score says 3B but he never played a position since he pinch-hit in the bottom of the 9th.

Again, this is ESPN.com list.

yeah I dont know, Dodgers.com history has him listed as 3B http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/la/history/all_stars.jsp

I couldnt find the ESPN article and got impatient so I started cheating.

I’m pretty sure he was a 2B that year.

what about 2B?

o-dog.

just a couple years ago.

he did make it? yeah was thinking of him but couldnt remember if he did or not… makes sense since he started season off on fire.

I want to say catcher for the Angels

not sure if Bengie ever made one for them. Could be SS though

For the Dodgers

someone named the position but I believe for most of those commenting on this query, the last time it was filled was prior to their existence (or close to it).

The Angels, nope, you are not there.

gotta be 1st base then

Did JT Snow ever go to the AS game as an Angel?

I don't believe

so

gotta be first base

and Karros in, what, 99?

Karros wasn’t an All-Star, but Nomar was, wasn’t he?

Kershaw has a stiff back

Gurnick

There goes the fucking season. :)

same thing happened to Lincecum, he’s fine

And Bellasario

Had a tooth pulled.

I’ve heard dental coke is the best, ir so says Gregg Allman.

cocaine, novacaine

what’evs

Dental Dr. Pepper is better.

To sum up

Dodgers, 3B

Angels, 1B (which will change this year though he has a lot of competition)

BTW – I think the most common position is catcher.

Curious if folk can name the last Dodger All-Star at each position
C – Martin
1st- Murray? Garvey?
2nd – Hudson
SS – Furcal, before that Offerman
3rd – Mike Sharperson (embarrassing)
RF – Andre
CF- Kemp
LF – Green or Sheff?

Uh Andre was an all star CF not RF dude
goddamn

you beat me to it.

Okay

ESPN.com (actually Sweet Spot) said it was 1983 and it was Pedro Guerrero. You could argue about Sharperson, he did bat for Shef (who was the other 3B on that team besides Pendleton) but the score was 13-4 and Sharperson never played in the field.

I think the bottom line is that Shaperson and Harris were our 3rd baseman so as far as I’m concerned he was a All-Star 3rd baseman

But Sharperson

played more games at 2B.

I can see why the author chose Guerrero since Sharperson was a utility player, played pretty much equal amounts at 2nd and 3rd and did not play in the field at that ASG.

Okay, I simply remember the platoon of Sharperson / Harris at 3rd base kicking proverbial but but maybe it was not the year he made the all-star team. So Pedro in 83, who is the 1st baseman Murray?

Yes

Murray in 1991

Still a weak ass all-star infield.

Rubby

Real exciting news that he is doing great. Imagine if we place him in the pen later this year? He’ll be tossing 100 mph bullets at will (hopefully in the zone)!

has any pitcher who had TJ not reported that were doing great after throwing on flat ground?

No idea

But if he’s anything like STRASBURG, who was fuckin phenomenal after TJ, we’ve got ace 2.0.

the distance between you and the ballbusters (meercat, bh, reg) in terms of optimism is just mindboggling.

You want real depressing news

According to published reports (Shaikin) the new ownership will inherit both the 14M annual payment to McCourt (unless they buy the parking lot which McCourt doesn’t want to sell), 32M/year loan payment to 2030, a now possible 50M case to Stow and even when they get the new TV deal, they will be paying revenue sharing on top of that.

And that is not counting whatever loan service fees they have to deal with after they purchase the team.

So 3 Billion then

i really didn't want depressing news

ballbuster – ha ha ha

this probably gets into politics

but if I get the hell beat out of me at chucke cheese can I sue the crap out of them?

Don't forget me right next to SW :)

Yeah because he was doing Strasburg like work before he blew out his arm.

Can I play the piano any more?

Velocity wise, absolutely. He just doesn’t have the kick ass breaking ball quite yet.

Strasburg's breaking stuff

is just insane

Yo Nolander

it was Wally Joyner in 1986 (his only ASG appearance)

Wally WORLD

WW

Josie

Facial hair for a guy: yay or nay?

Come on we all know Josie is a kiss ass and since Eric is technically her boss she will vote Yay so you will never know the truth.

ballbuster

too god damn scratchy, shave that gruff

so one yay, and one nay

where’s the rest of the skirts?

dude, don’t say skirts. It sounds so out of context when you say it.

dames then

it’s all in your diction. You gotta sound more like meercat for it to work

old and grouchy?

I was thinking aged and wise, but I see where you are going with this and I like it.

so humbling

when a woman questions your diction

We have reached our limit. I blame Dr. Pepper

see

it ruins everything!!

If you have to ask, nay.

not asking dudes

dude

It’s good life advice in general.

remember when chevy chase was funny?

Recently, on Community?

reg

you ever been to the Italian place in the strip mall on Washington and Lincoln, Alejos, it was good back in the day.

Drive past it every day, never been. Have to give it a try.

One can't eat

in Venice everyday

I’ve been in the location on Lincoln near Manchester. It is good for lunch, but I am hardly the authority on Italian dining.

yeah

and before that they had a run of Ron Cey

Baron Davis and Carmelo are playing tonight

and the Knicks are scoring at will

two questions

one: who are they?

two: JEREMY LIN?!?!??!!?

Which one’s Will?

this whole entire post was hilarious

just imagine

when Lindblom starts dropping jokes and jokes and jokes n’ jokes

In my

SFV days, I lived in Encino bordering Tarzana. Just a block from Ventura.

I'm still in my SFV days

but I once lived in a location like that. Two blocks N. of Ventura though, and two blocks W. of White Oak.

That is pretty close

to the spot.

5320 Zelzah #203.

being a block from ventura has its perks

Holy shit

So for the first time in literally two years I am using my desktop computer (I never bothered to use it at my old apartment; just used my laptop), and oh how I missed the two-screen setup.

Fucking awesome.

Wall-to-wall Dodger tabs in your browser!
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nice pix of you in action from the other day, courtesy of Jon Soo Hoo:

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/photos/gallery.jsp?content_id=26783590&c_id=la

how can people with such scraggly beards give tony jackson crap about his well-conditioned hair.

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