Our offseason tour around the National League West brings us to the hated ones, a look at the San Francisco Giants. Here is a look at the offseason for the Dodgers' heated rivals.
| San Francisco Giants | |
| 2011 Record: | 86-76 |
| Division Finish: |
Second Place, 8 GB |
| 2012 at Dodger Stadium: |
May 7-9, Aug 20-22, Oct 1-3 |
| 2012 Dodgers at Kevin Elster Field: | Jun 25-27, Jul 27-29, Sep 7-9 |
| SB Nation coverage: | McCovey Chronicles SB Nation Bay Area |
1) Where, and how much will Brandon Belt play?
Belt was ranked the 23rd best prospect in MLB by Baseball America coming into the 2011 season, and even made the opening day roster for the Giants last season. But he didn't get a ton of playing time with the Giants, and hit .225/.306/.412 in 209 plate appearances and was optioned to Triple A three times last year.
This year, Aubrey Huff is set to make $10 million in the final year of his contract and could get a lot of time at first base. Manager Bruce Bochy said last week that his likely starting outfield would be Melky Cabrera, Angel Pagan, and Nate Schierholtz, though both Huff and Belt could see time in the outfield as well, per John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle.
Belt started 18 games at first base for the Giants last year, made 16 starts in left field, and one more in right field.
2) Will Madison Bumgarner eventually get a perm and announce Braves games?
Bumgarner quietly had a pretty great season in 2011. He was 13-13 and his 3.21 ERA ranked fourth on his own team, but his peripheral numbers were outstanding. He was fourth in the National League with a 2.67 FIP and sixth in the NL with a 3.10 expected-FIP. And the southpaw was just 21 years old.
With 46 walks and 191 strikeouts, Bumgarner is one of just three pitchers since 1901 at age 21 or younger to have a strikeout-to-walk ratio of at least 4-to-1 while qualifying for the ERA title, joining Bret Saberhagen (1985) and Don Sutton (1966).
| Comforting Thought About The Giants: | |
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| Barry Zito still has $46 million remaining on his contract. |
3) Is Buster Posey fully recovered?
The Giants sure hope so.
Posey, the 2010 National League Rookie of the Year, tore three ankle ligaments and broke his leg in a violent home plate collision with Scott Cousins of the Florida Marlins on May 25, 2011, is not yet 100% but hopes to be ready and fully healthy by opening day. To protect Posey and to keep his bat in the lineup, he might even play first base once a week or more.
"The work's been done," Giants general manager Brian Sabean told Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News last week. "(Trainer Dave) Groeschner has been pleased with where they are. But we'll be very conscious and diligent about what his schedule will be gamewise. At the finish line is to get him ready to be the opening-day catcher and then to figure from there how many games he can catch."
After Posey got hurt last year, the Giants' catching trio of Eli Whiteside, Chris Stewart, and Hector Sanchez combined to hit .199/.268/.298 with 15 doubles and six home runs in 114 games (plus one inning).
4) Did The Panda add muscle or fat?
Pablo Sandoval rebounded from a subpar 2010 by hitting .315/.357/.552 with 23 home runs in 117 games last year, and parlayed that into a three-year, $17.15 million contract that bought out his salary arbitration years and could potentially be a steal for the Giants. After losing 40 pounds before last season to show up at 240 pounds, the Panda showed up to Fan Fest last week somewhere in the neighborhood of 250 pounds.
"Manager Bruce Bochy observed at FanFest that Sandoval needed to shed a few pounds before Spring Training opens. The Giants' initial full-squad workout is scheduled for Feb. 24. Sandoval insisted that his weight, which is believed to hover in the 250-pound range, was the product of increased muscle, not fat," wrote Chris Haft of MLB.com. "Sabean vouched for Sandoval's diligence by saying that the 25-year-old frequently works out twice daily."
That sounds like the old stories of Hall of Fame Brooklyn Dodgers catcher Roy Campanella showing up to Vero Beach and claiming the bulk around his middle was muscle, not fat. With as good a hitter as Sandoval is, it might not matter.
5) Will Tim Lincecum be appearing in any commercials for The Golden Arches anytime soon?
This seems doubtful.
"You take your first bite of a McDonald's burger and it's like, 'Why did I buy this?' " Lincecum told Gwenn Knapp of the San Francisco Chronicle on Friday. "You feel instantly sick. That's what ended up happening with all these places. ... I take a bite and I'm like, 'I can't even finish this.' I'm not crushing vegetables by any means, but I'm definitely eating better."
| Giants Trades, Etc. This Winter | ||
|---|---|---|
| Team | Traded | Acquired |
| Royals | Jonathan Sanchez lhp Ryan Verdugo lhp |
Melky Cabrera of |
| Mets | Andres Torres of Ramon Ramirez rhp |
Angel Pagan of |
The Giants shipped an erratic left-hander to the American League Central for an outfielder coming off a career year, then swapped center fielders with the Mets.
| Giants Contracts Signed This Winter | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pos | Player | Type | Total Contract | 2012 Salary |
| C | Eli Whiteside | FA | 1-year, $600k | $600,000 |
| RP | Clay Hensley |
FA | 1-year, $750k | $750,000 |
| RP | Jeremy Affeldt | Opt | $5m option exercise | $5,000,000 |
| SP | Tim Lincecum | Arb | 2-year, $40.5m | $18,500,000 |
| 3B | Pablo Sandoval | Arb | 3-year, $17.15m | $3,200,000 |
| OF | Melky Cabrera | Arb | 1-year, $6m | $6,000,000 |
| RP | Javier Lopez | Arb | 2-year, $8.5m | $4,250,000 |
| OF | Angel Pagan | Arb | 1-year, $4.85m | $4,850,000 |
| SP | Ryan Vogelsong | Arb | 2-year, $8.3m | $3,000,000 |
| RP | Santiago Casilla | Arb | 1-year, $2.2m | $2,200,000 |
| RP | Sergio Romo | Arb | 1-year, $1.575m | $1,575,000 |
| OF | Nate Schierholtz | Arb | 1-year, $1.3m | $1,300,000 |
| IF | Mike Fontenot | Arb | 1-year, $1.05m | $1,050,000 |
In addition, the Giants signed infielder Ryan Theriot and pitcher Guillermo Mota, among others, to minor-league contracts.

| Giants Players Lost | ||
|---|---|---|
| Pos | Player | New Team |
| OF | Carlos Beltran | Cardinals |
| OF | Cody Ross | Red Sox |
| IF | Jeff Keppinger | Rays |
| IF | Mark DeRosa | Nationals |
| OF | Darren Ford | Mariners* |
| IF |
Orlando Cabrera |
retirement |
| OF | Pat Burrell | retirement |
| *Minor league deal | ||
Here's my guess as to the Giants' 25-man roster, with a few assumptions mixed in:
| 2012 Giants Under Contract | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Pos | Player | 2012 Age* | 2012 Salary |
| C | Buster Posey | 25 | team control |
| 1B | Aubrey Huff | 35 | $10,000,000 |
| 2B | Freddy Sanchez | 34 | $6,000,000 |
| 3B | Pablo Sandoval | 25 | $3,200,000 |
| SS | Mike Fontenot | 32 | $1,050,000 |
| LF | Melky Cabrera | 27 | $6,000,000 |
| CF | Angel Pagan | 30 | $4,850,000 |
| RF | Nate Schierholtz | 28 | $1,300,000 |
| 1B/OF | Brandon Belt | 24 | team control |
| IF | Ryan Theriot | 32 |
$1,250,000^ |
| IF | Brandon Crawford | 25 | team control |
| OF |
Justin Christian |
32 | team control |
| C | Eli Whiteside | 32 | $600,000 |
| SP | Tim Lincecum | 28 | $18,500,000 |
| SP | Matt Cain | 27 | $15,000,000 |
| SP | Madison Bumgarner | 22 | team control |
| SP | Ryan Vogelsong | 34 | $3,000,000 |
| SP | Barry Zito | 34 | $19,000,000 |
| CL | Brian Wilson | 30 | $8,500,000 |
| RHP | Sergio Romo | 29 | $1,575,000 |
| LHP | Javier Lopez | 34 | $4,250,000 |
| LHP | Jeremy Affeldt | 33 | $5,000,000 |
| RHP | Santiago Casilla | 31 | $2,200,000 |
| RHP | Clay Hensley |
32 |
$750,000 |
| RHP | Guillermo Mota | 38 | $1,000,000^ |
| Totals (20 players) |
$113,025,000 | ||
| *Age as of June 30, 2012 ^minor-league deal |
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Dan Runzler is another option for the Mota spot in the bullpen, should the Giants choose to have three left-handed relievers. The Giants also will pay $12 million (possibly less the major league minimum salary of $480,000) to Aaron Rowand, who was released in September and signed a minor league deal with the Miami Marlins.
Thanks to Baseball-Reference.com and Cot's Baseball Contracts. Barry Zito / Matt Kemp photo courtesy of Getty Images.
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boo those guys
Boo I say!!
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
Great caption
silverwidow - February 7, 2012
Is that Kuiper doing the Jeremiah Johnson thing?
Nolij - February 7, 2012
Bumgarner
I think he becomes the Giants best pitcher this year and if a Giants pitcher wins another CY Young in the next 5 years it will be he, not Lincecum that does so. Dude is a badass.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
Total badass.
He’s going to be god for years upon years.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Damn, if he’s god what is Kershaw a flipping angel?
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
double god
court168627 - February 7, 2012 via Android app
The Giants are Dead to me.
jim hitchcock (railway) - February 7, 2012
You should do this with the Dodgers once you are done with our competitors. This is a great way to consolidate a winters worth of work into one post that even the most ardent ADHD person could probably finish.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
i take that as a challenge, sir.
court168627 - February 7, 2012 via Android app
Yeah, that was the plan. It could get ugly.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
Let me know the day so I can skip breakfast
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Fade to (Rebecca) Black
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
I started the Colorado review last night, and they have made a whopping 10 trades involving at least one major league player since the end of the season. Trader Dan up there.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
Clippers on the road against the Magic, lose Billups, lose a nine point fourth qtr lead, have DJordon foul out, Evans foul out, down by four after two straight 3 pointers in overtime and…………..
win and cover.
Impressive
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Clippers have to be careful, if they keep turning corners they may end up going in a circle
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Never seen you so smitten
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
You missed the Cassel years
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Darick Martin was so dreamy
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Josie
Clippers still number one in road attendance in all the NBA after eight games. By almost 400 over the Lakers.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
If the NBA is great at anything, it’s advertising it’s best wares
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
Billups finds out his fate today.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
he had a good run
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
sometimes i wish we had an equivalent of the “beat LA” chant for the giants, and then i remember how completely pathetic that chant is
court168627 - February 7, 2012 via Android app
We do, it is called “Giants Suck” and yes, it is even more pathetic then “beat LA”. Kudos to our brilliant fans.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
o. i guess i never heard it in the two giants games ive been to. fans are stupid people.
court168627 - February 7, 2012 via Android app
I say “Let’s Go Blue” when that music plays.
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
a much better chant, no doubt.
court168627 - February 7, 2012 via Android app
Let’s Go Dodgers, Let’s Go
A chant with it’s own blog
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Yeah I'm all for a positive chant
To drown out their dumb negative one. “Let’s Go Dodgers” starts up sometimes at AT&T Park, which makes me happy (especially when there are a good number of Dodger fans there and when Dodgers are winning). Beat LA is just beyond tiresome at this point.
underdog - February 7, 2012
Craig, I love when Dodgers win in Pac Bell, and all the Dodger fans chant “Lets go Dodgers” heading to the parking lots, and completely take over that stadium, ive seen videos, looks like a ton of fun.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
It is really fun.
Walking down those things, it makes me soooo happy. They even do that when the Dodgers lose, though.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 7, 2012
I’ve always gone for the good ‘ol “Here we go Dodgers”, but hey, as long as you’re proclaiming it, it’s fine with me.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 7, 2012
Barry Sucks!
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Barry sucks was much better though
The Stuntmen - February 7, 2012
didn’t the “beat LA” schtick start with the Celtic fans back in the day?
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
back then they owned the chant and owned the Lakers. If anyone was ever someone’s punching bag it was the Lakers for the Celtics until Magic showed up, which is why he’s the greatest of all the Los Angeles Sports Icons.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
And he did it with style. So L.A became not only the better squad, but the cooler squad.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
yeah. back when there was like 8 teams, whoopty doo
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Finals are finals, what does the number of teams have to do with anything when only two teams are left standing but only one walked away with a championship every single season?
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
all I know is since ive been put of earf, Its Lakers 10 Celtics 4… shit I aint no bunching bag haha
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Selective endpoints.
fbihop - February 7, 2012
especially when he becomes our next owner!
underdog - February 7, 2012
So when the dodgers get past the Phillies in the NLCS with Kemp hitting 7 home runs and Kershaw pitching two shutouts, are they on the path to being on Magic’s level?
nolander - February 7, 2012
Not even close
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
i thinkj i flagged this when i was trying to reccomend it.
stevesaxaphone - February 8, 2012
1982 Western Conference Finals…in a loss.
The most impressive thing accomplished in Boston since the Revolutionary War.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
Right, Detroit beat them
and they chanted BEAT LA for the Pistons
mleadman - February 7, 2012
Philly
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
Really?
Wow, I’ve been thinking it was Detroit for years now.
mleadman - February 7, 2012
It was the second straight year the 76ers had a 3-1 lead in the Western Conference Finals over Boston. In 1981, the Celtics came back to beat Philadelphia (and beat 40-42 Houston in the Finals). In 1982, the Celtics forced Game 7 again, but the 76ers managed to get the win in Boston. When it became clear late in the fourth quarter the 76ers would move on, the Celtics fans started the chant (the Lakers already made it to the Finals).
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
You are confusing the shit out of me with this Boston, 76ers talk in the Western Conference Finals.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
ditto
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Since I knew the story
that part didn’t confuse me.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
Yeah, I figured it out but had to reread it and then I kept doubting myself on it. Did the NBA experiment with conference names in the early 80s or something. But more likely that Eric is experimenting with something this AM.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
Obviously it is
West Coast Bias.
David Young - February 7, 2012
To bad about Burrell retiring, I will have to find another whipping dog, but at least he lived up to his whipping, he did just enough in the regular season in 2010 to get significant at bats in the post season to almost ruin things for them.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Or he replacing Rowand with Burrell was the difference between the Padres and the Giants missing the playoffs :(
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
I can’t believe I missed the #noso-and-so subthread. It was hilarious.
kinbote - February 7, 2012
That was a lot of fun.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
From MSTI
DodgerofTrolleys - February 7, 2012
You know, I kind of like this guy.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 7, 2012
If you are going to excerpt something, please provide the link as well.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
he could bid 5B
i just dont picture the owners approving him in a million years
delias man - February 7, 2012
to get to this stage in the process, i thought josh was already cleared by baseball. your saying mccourt choses the winner then has to present the guy to baseball for approval? i see frank sueing if the winner is turned down.
i kinda think the highest bid is good for business cuz it ups the value of the other teams, so the owners wouldn’t care.
Venergy - February 7, 2012
The current stage is the right to have MLB put on the rubber gloves.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
I bid 8b!
mleadman - February 7, 2012
he just moved up to #1 spot for me ahead of Magic.
Venergy - February 7, 2012
yeah Im with you on that, sounds like a guy thats going to spend shitloads on payroll, a fan that wants to win, and isnt in this for business it seems like.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
or he’s a guy who grew up in New York, is an opportunist and is saying all the right things.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
yeah, maybe.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
just curious, are you saying he might move team to NY? Just seems bidding 2.2 billion, if true, isnt a smart business move, which teams me he isnt in this for business, but as a hobby, to spend grips of loot on…. We shall see though, who knows.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
I have no reason to believe he is a Dodger fan at all, and I think he is just going through with this charade to get publicity.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
the way he's gone about it
Gives me that feeling as well
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
Hmmm maybe.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 7, 2012
oh I see… yeah could be true.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
I’ll ask him this Saturday.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
publicity for what? he’s a billionaire.
if he was a lowly millionaire actor i could see the reason for the attention. but in this case its of no use to him. he comes off as a regular joe, family guy, who loves baseball.
also theres no logic too in bringing the dodgers to NY. why take the franchise there when the city is owned by the yankees. here in LA, the dodgers are the main show.
Venergy - February 7, 2012
I never said he would move to the Dodgers to NY; Chris misinterpreted that.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
a billionaire that no one had heard of before
underdog - February 7, 2012
“I’m from Philadelphia, we never talk about things like that in public.”
kinbote - February 7, 2012
I Heard You Paint Houses
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Well, in that case, if he wants to buy 3 sports teams, get the Lakers too, because Jimmy is messing it up, doesnt know shit, then if you can, NFL team please, thanks.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
You poor Laker fan
Michael White - February 7, 2012
lol what man?? Im still a Laker, but I know the IT factor when I see it, and Jimmy Buss just doesnt have IT… his dad does, he doesnt…. Jerry cant live forever, and until proven otherwise, were screwed with his son.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Chris in 1961
I know the IT factor when I see it, and John Wooden just doesnt have IT. Sure he wins 70% of his games, but he never wins the big game. UCLA is screwed.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
A more likely occurence
Back in 2000, USC hired the wrong guy, has no college experience and was a so so NFL coach.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
1859
“This Lincoln guy… I just don’t know. He never went to a formal school, and he’s failed twice in his Senate bids. I mean, if he can’t win a Senate seat in Illinois, then he’s got no future.”
ishXdavid - February 7, 2012
Ok
From
DodgerofTrolleys - February 7, 2012
From
MSTI
DodgerofTrolleys - February 7, 2012
I kind of feel like calling bullsh*t on him.
BS that he has that kind of money and BS that he’d spend that much money on a sports franchise, when that much money is a losing proposition… but hard not to find him interesting, too.
underdog - February 7, 2012
Jared Kushner a prospective Dodgers owner
according to LA times he’s snuck in under the radar …
$1.8 billion just for a building? my guess he can afford the team.
Venergy - February 7, 2012
You buried the lede
He’s Trump’s son in law
mleadman - February 7, 2012
yes. imagine Ivanka being our first lady …
Venergy - February 7, 2012
Softballl Players
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Is that why he wasn’t coaching the Lakers last night?
kinbote - February 7, 2012
Who is this Grant Frisbee guy talkin shit about the Dodgers?
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
That’s Maddz ex-bf. :)
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
you have one sex dream…
Maddz - February 7, 2012
nice
NotJoeTorre - February 7, 2012
Classic
Roberto Baly uncovered a 1984 car insurance commercial with Ross Porter and Mike Marshall. It’s for FGS Insurance. I actually called the number at the end of the commercial, and it is Dashers Insurance now.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
Dashers Dashers, tststststststststs, Dashers Dashers, tststststststst
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Ha, i almost typed the exact same thing.
Apparently that’s a catchy jingle.
Michael White - February 7, 2012
Anyone feel like Vogelsong
after his two year contract, is due to come back to earth this year? Or is he destined to prove he’s for “real”?
underdog - February 7, 2012
Yep. Hopefully it means turning back into Ryan Vogelsong and not just pitching to his peripherals.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Yep.
He already started coming down end of last year.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 7, 2012
He will be good but not that good
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
I hope he is both Ryan Vogelsong and the best pitcher on their staff.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
Who will have a better season
Vogelsong (still sounds like the name of a skinhead punk group out from Fullerton) or Harang?
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Harang
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Man that’s tough. Leaning Vogelsong but could easily be wrong.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Really? Why so low on Vogelsong? From the sound of things, you think Harang’s terrible. Is Vogelsong that due for regression?
kinbote - February 7, 2012
Was bad in Pittsburgh for four years. Banished to Japan for three more where he was average. Sent to AAA for a year where he was bad. Suddenly good in the bigs.
These kind of comeback stories come up from time to time. We don’t remember the next season where they crash back to earth.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Usually they involve Dave Duncan.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Rhigetti is right there IMO
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Thanks. I hope you’re right. His second half was considerably worse than his first.
kinbote - February 7, 2012
Colby Lewis
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Joel Pinero
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
I just went with a bad pitcher banished to Japan and came back good
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
At least Colby was big in Japan.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
I’ll let you know in July.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
OT warning for comic/video game talk (z on Xei)
So I’ve been playing Batman: Arkham Asylum. I wish I was home playing it now instead of here at work. Arkham City will most likely be the end if me.
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
What took you so long to play it?
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Just a general winding down of my gaming habits. I have a ton of games I never finished, just for the simple reason I didn’t feel like playing.
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
The UPS truck couldn’t deliver to his mom’s basement
KellyStephen - February 7, 2012
hey pal, I have a room in the second floor
I’m top shelf talent
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
Just f’ing with you.
KellyStephen - February 7, 2012
I know
Just giving it back :)
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
I suck at it. Right now I can’t get past some Penguin goons that have a few hostages. So, I’ve dropped it for a few days.
mleadman - February 7, 2012
Asylum is better then City
but City has so much to do you just can’t put it down.
nolander - February 7, 2012
Maybe that's the one I've got
I honestly didn’t notice
mleadman - February 7, 2012
you have city
nolander - February 7, 2012
Games with that much to do usually have me staying away(not a GTA fan, though they are good games), but it is Batman
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
Its more directed then that
I’m the same way but there is usually a reason to do the side quests, as they are usually associated with a villian doing nefarious things and you can go and stop them instead of doing the main quest. The riddler trophy stuff is too much in city though.
nolander - February 7, 2012
I'm having fun with the Riddler stuff right now
But yeah, I imagine it x1000 in City
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
18 spring training games will be broadcast in HD (three from the Freeway Series)
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
Of the 15 TV games in Arizona, Monday & Steiner will call 8 and Collins & Lyons will call 7.
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
I’ll have a post about this shortly, but about to head into a meeting
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
I promise not to complain about the limited camera angles.
kinbote - February 7, 2012
it’s Spring fucking Training. You want them to bring 40 cameras and Madonna?
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
Whoa…looks like someone’s a bit testy this morning.
KellyStephen - February 7, 2012
Gonna need a refresh shortly?
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
Awesome. That’s a departure from the low-tech “spring-training” feel they’d been going for the past few years.
Michael White - February 7, 2012
It looks like Vin Scully won’t call any Dodgers spring training games in Arizona. First game with Vin is Apr 3 vs. Angels (Freeway Series)
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
I hate the freeway series
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
I still don’t understand why it butts up exactly against the season. Baseball is a seriously masochistic sport regarding scheduling.
kinbote - February 7, 2012
I hate interleague play, I love the freeway series
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
Why?
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
because it’s the American League and National League, not American Conference and National Conference. Separate schedules.
In this world without interleague, freeway series is a warm up for Dodger Stadium before the season starts, with a local friendly opponent
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
Yeah interleague is silly. So is the Freeway series. It also ruins for the me the freshness of opening day by playing the games at the respective ML Stadiums.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
so you’d rather DS make a whole bunch of mistakes opening day, with the stadium full?
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
As opposed to now?
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
What kind of mistakes?
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
“Hey does this stove work?”
“OMG, EVERYONE’S ON FIRE!”
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
The kind of mistakes that happen when you have 20% employee turnover who have never worked a major league game before, the kind that happens when you have not done a part time job in six months and have to figure it all out again, the kind that happens when you have new procedures that never got ironed out because someone thought it would be a great idea to have an opening day without any testing done with maybe a half stadium pre season game?
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
To summarize: nacho cheese pump training.
kinbote - February 7, 2012
the opening day food lines are already atrocious, imagine them with an unskilled nacho pumper?
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
I don't want to Josie
………….I don’t want to………
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
I watched an old man try to replace one for 5 minutes one time
made me miss some precious baseball.
nolander - February 7, 2012
Do you really think 2 pre season games iron out those potential problems? and are you guys saying that thats the reason for the Freeway series?
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
There are 100 reasons for a Freeway series and all of them are valid.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
It must make money.
and I still hate it.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
seriously, if my garlic fries arent up to standards by opening day, we gots problems.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
We could play USC and charge the season ticket holders and piss them off even more
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
haha, I remember going to a Dodger game vs USC when I was young.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Mark McGwire played in that series
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
did he really? dam I didnt think it was that long ago, thought maybe it was early 90s or so.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Yeah, totally sucks for Mariner fans to get to watch Matt Kemp hit a baseball. Silly shit.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
They already have BJ Ryan dude
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
they can watch the All Star Game! : )
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
yeah I never got why people are so against interleague…. Gives people a chance to see a team play here they wouldnt normally ever see, and vice versa.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
I don't like that it leads to unbalanced schedules
but if they could balance the schedules better I would have no problem with it.
nolander - February 7, 2012
also gives me a chance to see the Dodgers use a DH once in awhile, which also isnt so bad IMO.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
It’s a schedule thing for me too. PLus most baseball fans can watch any team on TV if they want.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
At least we have a DH this year in Rivera.
kinbote - February 7, 2012
Actually
with more games available on TV, that argument becomes less compelling.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
Does it, watching TV equates to watching a game in person? TV camera’s can never equate to watching the whole game unfold before you very eyes as you know the jump the fielder got, how the players shift before each pitch, …………..
or everything that makes baseball interesting.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
as long as I’m not in the section with the drunk dude I’m with you on that.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
Im talking about Live though…. We got to see Yankees play here, when was the last time that happened? early 80s? Boston fans got to see the Dodgers play at Fenway, has that ever happened before interleague? I mean, anytime in the last 50 years atleast.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Just drive down to Anaheim
and you can see all the AL teams play.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
LA is not the only place in existence
although sometimes I feel like it should be.
nolander - February 7, 2012
I would think interleague
would be less of a big deal in cities like LA, NY and Chitown that have teams from both leagues. Still nice to see the Dodgers/Yankees actually play each other, but they play in Anaheim twice a year.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
yeah but Dodgers vs Yanks is a historical matchup, not Yankees and Angels…. Its not that im a huge interleague fan, I just dont mind it at all, its something different, whats wrong with something different? I just dont get the hate for it, but whatever.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Fifty years of playing each other isn’t historical?
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
Im just saying IMO Yankees vs Angels doesnt have the power that a Yankees vs Dodgers matchup has, whatever shape the current teams are in. Even though Dodgers rarely play the Yanks.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Dodgers v Yankees loses some of its luster if they play often enough in the regular season. Plus our ex-Yankee manager will want to beat them so bad that he will blow out the arm of our best relief pitcher in those games.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
Next time Broxton should get the three outs before throwing 100 pitches. Can’t be that hard.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Sums up my
basic feelings about this.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
Its the manager’s job to pull the pitcher when he can’t do his job.
fbihop - February 7, 2012
Torre was on hold, scheduling Broxton’s MRI and couldn’t get him out in time.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
Tell that to Seattle
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
when Portland gets an NL team, this will all be moot
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
He was talking about
WE.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
Okay
I love Interleague play
I hate the whining about unbalanced schedules resulting from interleague play.
I would like to see Matt Moore and Evan Longoria in Dodger Stadium and not have to drive to Anaheim.
It would be nice if they simply met in a WS but I couldn’t afford the ticket even if that happened so inter-league play works for me.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
I can sell you my
2009 World Series tickets for a lot less.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
plus I hate the Angels, and love playing them 6 times a year, even though they always kick our ass everytime. But hopefully things will return to how it should be, and we’ll own that ass, and I look forward to that. Just dont take that matchup away from me, please.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
for me, Angels::Dodgers as Clippers::Lakers.
I like them both and don’t feel the hate for the other team. Just like Dodgers/Lakers a little more.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
for some reason seattle was where my mind went too
nolander - February 7, 2012
to too?
or is too alone fine there? Mr F I need you!
nolander - February 7, 2012
Interesting that someone
whose real memories of baseball probably consist of inter league play (around since 1997) would not like it.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
I'm thinking of a word
it starts with an h and rhymes with hipster
nolander - February 7, 2012
…
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
Vin can interview the new owner
during that game.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
So Josh, you seem a bit unusual, can you tell us about yourself?
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
You know my favorite line for years on TV
was “You’re fired.”
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
How long does a type A free agent have to stay on the market until a team can get him without giving up draft picks?
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Who is out there?
kinbote - February 7, 2012
Kelly Johnson.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
No he’s not. God damn ESPN.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
He accepted arb, right?
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
Yep.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
My link
is the story on ESPN.com about him accepting arbitration
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
He is not a free agent
Johnson accepted arbitration back in December
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
There are only two compensation free agents left
and they are both of the soon to be formerly known as Type B
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
the draft
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
Does this look enjoyable?
silverwidow - February 7, 2012
Depressing
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
I think a Lion would enjoy it
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Quick someone put a picture of a smiling Todd Coffey behind it.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Has Todd Coffey de-throned Juan Uribe?
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Coffey doesn’t even fit in the throne he’s so big.
kinbote - February 7, 2012
Bread doesnt even look toasted
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
I enjoyed this.
kinbote - February 7, 2012
right
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
The Wild Turkey looks ok
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
the fuck is that?
If you say a sandwich, you are lying
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
Assloads of bacon between two slices of bread.
silverwidow - February 7, 2012
bacon on a plate of bread with bread on top for stability
nolander - February 7, 2012
No, but thanks for the subject header.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
The Wild Turkey does.
KellyStephen - February 7, 2012
Fangraphs Q&A with Logan White
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/qa-logan-white-drafting-dodger/
court168627 - February 7, 2012
Logan White seems to have selective memory regarding the Kershaw draft. Funny how Mr. Morris has slipped his memory. Wonder how his biomechanics graded?
I wish they had at least asked about Mike Stanton
Love the Chris Reed report.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
interesting to see how much faith he still has in Ethan Martin
court168627 - February 7, 2012
Agree about the Chris Reed part. His enthusiasm got me amped.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Is it? What is he going say at this point? We blew the pick and he will never amount to squat and everyone else but me was probably right that he should have stayed at 3rd base? The guy is still in the system, he can’t throw him under the bus yet.
he might believe everything he said, but ……………… I doubt it.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
saving face maybe but Martin’s stuff is top notch
NotJoeTorre - February 7, 2012
I thought the story with Morris
was if Kershaw wasn’t available, they would have taken Morris at 7.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
That is my understanding
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
White's Interviews Always Seem To Contain Some Howlers
Bringing up Halladay when cornered on the subject of Ethan Martin is rich. Halladay did very well in High A at 19 after being completely skipped past Low A, and he was pitching in Triple A at 20.
CanuckDodger - February 7, 2012
and was in the majors before he encountered that “brief” trouble he had.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
I’m holding on to this quote.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
So White Wanted Reed Over Stephenson?
Didn’t we hear a great deal about the Dodgers wanting Stephenson but Stephenson wanted too much money? White can’t be trusted to tell the truth in a situation like this.
CanuckDodger - February 7, 2012
nobody can ever be trusted
nolander - February 7, 2012
good stuff
Interesting comment on Matt Moore
Tommy Blackjack - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
Basically
Matt Moore should be a Dodger
silverwidow - February 7, 2012
Mike Stanton
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Kershaw / Moore
Kemp / Stanton
Good God Almighty
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Mike Stanton LOOKS like he should be a Dodger.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Ned blocks Moore with Capang. :)
silverwidow - February 7, 2012
If the Dodgers had a player as talented as Moore
he would be in the rotation.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
Sure…but after injuries and poor performance from a vet. I don’t see him handing anything to anyone.
silverwidow - February 7, 2012
SS Dee Gordon.
Do you realize how few people go from the minors to a starting job in the bigs?
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Injury to Furcal
silverwidow - February 7, 2012
Seriously name three players that just got handed a job out of Spring Training.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
They don’t even have to be good. You can put Scott Sizemore on there.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Geronamo Berroa?
Pascual Perez’s crazy left-handed brother?
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
Steve Sax.
David Young - February 7, 2012
They moved Kershaw up and to some extent Billingsley up
really fast. Some believe that jobs should be just handed to players but that is just not what happens. But Kershaw was called up in his second full-season of professional baseball and Bills came up in his third full pro season.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
Ruby
nolander - February 7, 2012
Injury to Garland
silverwidow - February 7, 2012
and Moore would have probably started over Rubby if he was in our system
so your initial premise is flawed
nolander - February 7, 2012
Moore only got called up because of roster expansion.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Rubby would have been ahead of him on the depth chart?
nolander - February 7, 2012
The only reason the Rays called up Matt Moore was because the rosters went to 40 men.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Kershaw
Michael White - February 7, 2012
Suckiness by Loaiza
silverwidow - February 7, 2012
Yes, the Dodgers didn’t just happen to have 4 men in the rotation and then decide to give Kershaw the job. Assuming there’s a full roster there will always be a reason somebody is called up and handed the job. Being a AA player and being considered better than the incumbent (Loiza) counts as being handed the job.
Michael White - February 7, 2012
How about JMac
being handed the fifth starter job out of spring training
Michael White - February 7, 2012
You have to remember that Loaiza was incredibly bad, though. If he was productive, do you honestly think Kershaw would have replaced him?
silverwidow - February 7, 2012
It would have been great cause Kershaw was kinda bad in his rookie year so if Loaiza was productive we’d get another year of service time out of him.
You are arguing that it’s better for young players to play even if it makes the team worse.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
One Two Punches
ESPN radio had a short blurb on this morning about best one-two punches in sports. It started from a quote about Kobe/Shaq being one of the best one-two punches in NBA history. The guy mentioned Ruth/Gerhig as a baseball best one-two punch. I thought of Jordan/Pippen. Any thoughts on who you think the best one-two punches from any sport were and maybe who the best one-two punch in Dodgers history was/is.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
Koufax/Drysdale
for Dodgers and maybe all of baseball
court168627 - February 7, 2012
as far as Dodger hitters are concerned, it would be hard to argue against Duke and Campanella
court168627 - February 7, 2012
At their peak
Drysdale (CYA 1962) and Koufax (CYA 1963, 1965, 1966, MVP 1963) were the best one two punch in Dodger history.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
How about
current MLB teams. Doesn’t have to be both pitchers.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
Kershaw / Kemp might be hard to beat
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Free agency makes that difficult
Hard to get passed Manny and David Ortiz for their run.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
best current 1-2 punch in baseball might be Fielder and Miggy. Last season it was probably Fielder and Braun, but we all know how that turned out.
court168627 - February 7, 2012
also
Halladay/Lee might be a bit obvious but they’re both pretty damn nasty
court168627 - February 7, 2012
In a hail of PEDs and vegan hot dogs?
fbihop - February 7, 2012
Big Fed Machine
Halladay/Lee
But Kershaw/Kemp might be on top now
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
If we start adjusting for position and not just looking at dingers Pedroia/A-Gon might be hard to top.
regfairfield - February 7, 2012
Magic / Kareem had a nice run
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Izturis / Cora
magic up the middle
/shoots self
ishXdavid - February 7, 2012
I loved Iztruis/Cora, and so did Vin.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
I did too
Michael White - February 7, 2012
Shaq and Kobe were one of the best duos ever, maybe the best, but could have been so much more. If they got along, and Shaq had the work ethic Kobe did, who knows where they would of ended up. But I miss those days, and mostly miss Shaq’s power game. Watching Bynum and wishing he would just rise up and dunk that dam ball with 3 players on his back like Shaq did, make me miss Shaq that much more.
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Shag and Kobe should been the greatest ever. SHOULD have won 6-8 titles. It’s amazing that in spite of all the bullshit they still won 3.
But since they were jerks, Jordan/Pippen stays number 1
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
The problem with Jordan / Pippen is the huge discrepancy between them. While with Magic / Kareem you did have two of the top five players in the league on the same team. Same with Kobe/Shaq.
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Pip may be the best 2nd Banana ever. Gasol is another in that mold. Great players, but not top 5. THough Pippen sure was close. Top 5 defender to be certain.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
They didn't win titles but for LA
West and Baylor were a great duo.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
Yeah, but without the titles they simply remain a great duo
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Best duo's not to win a title? (NBA edition)
Stockton/Malone
Weber/Bibby
Barkley/KJ
Payton/Kemp
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
and…
LeBron/Wade
well, at least not together. Hope their names stay on this board for years to come.
Xeifrank - February 7, 2012
I thought about adding them, and really really want to…but you know…too soon….
my other Question is…Did Clyde the glide have a 2nd banana?
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Terry Porter?
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Yeah I guess it was Terry porter
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Jerome Kersey
Nolij - February 7, 2012
Buck Williams, Kevin Duckworth….
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
One of those guys you were happy to see be a Laker simply because he was on good teams
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Sam Bowie
fbihop - February 7, 2012
No contest
First is West and Baylor and then Malone and Stockton. No one else can enter this debate unless James and Wade never win a title.
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
Run TMC if you want three.
Nolij - February 7, 2012
RUN TMC
For greatest underachievers in NBA history.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Weber / Bibby – good god man, get a grip
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
What you mean
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
He means they are not in the same class as the other great duos mentioned here.
Nolij - February 7, 2012
Best duo in history
Bill Russell’s left side/ Bill Russell’s right side.
Julio Nievas - February 7, 2012
Lopes and Cey?
Nolij - February 7, 2012
Landon Donovan/David Beckham
fbihop - February 7, 2012
thats funny
delias man - February 7, 2012
I figured the premise was goalscorer-goalscorer. That scratches out Becks. You could go Landon Donovan-Robbie Keane, but it’s not an all time pairing. Wayne Rooney-Chicharito, now that’s a one-two punch.
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
Messi/David Villa
fbihop - February 7, 2012
yeah that’s it, that’s the winner.
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
But really, it would be Messi/Iniesta, right? Or Xavi?
fbihop - February 7, 2012
I don’t follow the Spanish league too closely, I really don’t know.
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
I know that Barcelona has like three of the best players in the world.
fbihop - February 7, 2012
it’s a winning machine!
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
not really
lampard and drogba is what you were looking for
delias man - February 7, 2012
maybe three-four years ago, sure
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
Carroll/Miles
mleadman - February 7, 2012
Ray Lewis/Ed Reed
I wanted to say Manning/Harris but not sure that is in the same vein.
nolander - February 7, 2012
Marcus Allen/Bo Jackson
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
I was trying to think of best running back duos
but all I could come up with where Panthers for some reason. For football a lot of times people don’t talk about duos, but the trinity of QB/RB/WR. Emmit Aikman and Irvin for example.
nolander - February 7, 2012
Garner/Wheatley was great for a couple seasons
delias man - February 7, 2012
much of that is the use of one back sets, and the weakening of the fullback position.
Josie Becker - February 7, 2012
well if you want to talk about great FB and HB duos
LT and that other guy are the most recent greats. But they never really put two HBs in the game at the same time in the past. Many teams these days use two backs, they just aren’t on the field at the same time.
nolander - February 7, 2012
Kelly, Thomas and Reed was good too, just not good enough to win a SB I guess
uschris0304 - February 7, 2012
Marcus and Bo without a doubt…
My fav as a kid was Okoye and Word
Lex in Brooklyn - February 7, 2012
Sayers / Dead guy
Phil Gurnee - February 7, 2012
Jon has one Dodger player's attention
bhsportsguy - February 7, 2012
new post
http://www.truebluela.com/2012/2/7/2782608/dodgers-2012-spring-training-television-schedule
Eric Stephen - February 7, 2012
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