Our final road stop on the National League West offseason review tour brings us to the San Diego Padres. Here is a look at the offseason for the rivals down south, where the Dodgers will open their regular season on April 5.
| San Diego Padres |
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| 2011 Record: | 71-91 |
| Division Finish: |
Fifth Place, 23 GB |
| 2012 at Dodger Stadium: |
Apr 13-15, Jul 13-15, Sep 3-5 |
| 2012 Dodgers at Petco Park: | Apr 5-8, May 16-17, Sep 25-27 |
| SB Nation coverage: | Gaslamp Ball |
1) Who 'won' the Mat Latos trade?
At first glance, it seems like the Padres got the better end of the deal just by sheer volume, as they got catcher Yasmani Grandal, first baseman Yonder Alonso, starting pitcher Edinson Volquez, and right-handed pitcher Brad Boxberger from the Cincinnati Reds in exchange for their ace.
The Padres picked up three of the Reds' top 10 prospects (per Baseball America) and two top-100 guys in Alonso and Grandal. Restocking the farm system with deals like these helped Keith Law of ESPN rank the Padres' farm system as the best in MLB.
But what San Diego gave up is a pitcher who just turned 24 with 31 starts in each of the last two seasons and a strikeout-to-walk ratio of better than three-to-one. Latos isn't even eligible for salary arbitration until next season.
It seems both teams got what they wanted out of the transaction, as Cincinnati got a cost-controlled front-of-the-rotation starter during their current window of contention in the National League Central, while San Diego added to the foundation of a team that could be pretty good in a year or two.
2) Will Carlos Quentin be healthy enough to matter for the Padres?
The outfielder was one of the favorites for the American League MVP while with the Chicago White Sox in 2008 before missing the final month of the season. In the three years since, Quentin has been a productive hitter, hitting .245/.336/.479 for Chicago, but he has averaged just 116 games per season during the last three campaigns, never playing in more than 131 games in a season during his career.
But the Padres gave up only a pair of lightly regarded pitchers to nab Quentin from the White Sox, so there is minimal risk for San Diego, outside his $7 million salary. San Diego is banking on Quentin hitting well enough and staying healthy enough to either help them somehow contend or to increase his trade value come June or July.
Maybe to stay healthy, Quentin could stop getting hit by so many pitches. Over the last four seasons, Quentin has been plunked 78 times, second most in MLB (behind Chase Utley's 83) and 26 more than the third-most HBP during that span.
| Trivial Padres Fact: | |
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| Other than four career games at designated hitter, Orlando Hudson has never played any other position but second base in his 10 years in the big leagues. |
3) How will Mike Adams continue to help the Padres, even though he's in Texas?
The Padres picked up Adams nine days before his 28th birthday in 2006, for pitcher Brian Sikorski. In 2008 Adams became a fixture in the San Diego bullpen, and for three and a half years was awesome, with a 1.66 ERA, 241 strikeouts and 59 walks in 217 innings.
But the Padres sent Adams to the Texas Rangers at the trade deadline last year, picking up left-handed pitcher Robbie Erlin and right-hander Joseph Weiland. Erlin put up a 3.50 ERA with a strikeout per inning in 17 games at Double A last year at age 20, while Weiland had a 1.80 ERA in 12 Double A starts with 54 strikeouts in 70 innings, at age 21.
Both pitchers will be in the San Diego starting rotation sooner rather than later, and Corey Brock of MLB.com speculated that at least Weiland, if not both, will end 2012 starting games at Petco Park.
4) How much will it cost to go see the Dodgers play at Petco Park?
That could depend on several factors.
The Padres have partnered up with Texas software company Qcue to offer dynamic ticket pricing this season for single-game tickets. "By using advanced computer programming, dynamic pricing will give the team the ability to adjust ticket costs higher or lower based on market demand and such factors as pitching matchups, the team's performance, weather and potential milestones," wrote Corey Brock of MLB.com.
Dynamic ticket pricing is also being implemented in St. Louis, San Francisco, Oakland, Minnesota, Seattle, and Pittsburgh in MLB this season.
5) What about Micah Owings?
I'm glad you asked. The Padres signed the former Diamondbacks pitcher/hitter to a $1 million contract, and Owings is expected to compete for a spot in the starting rotation. He will also get a chance to improve on his standing as the 27th-highest active slugging percentage (.507) among all major leaguers with at least 200 career plate appearances.
| Padres Trades, Etc. This Winter | ||
|---|---|---|
| Team | Traded | Acquired |
| Athletics | Cedric Hunter of (claimed off waivers by Oakland) | |
| Athletics | Evan Scribner rhp (claimed off waivers by Oakland) | |
| Marlins | Wade LeBlanc lhp | John Baker c |
| Rockies | Nick Schmidt lhp | Huston Street rhp $500,000 |
| Indians | Aaron Cunningham of | Cory Burns of |
| Reds | Mat Latos rhp | Edinson Volquez rhp Yonder Alonso 1b Yasmani Grandal c Brad Boxberger rhp |
| Rangers | Luis Martinez c | Ryan Kelly rhp |
| White Sox | Simon Castro rhp Pedro Hernandez lhp |
Carlos Quentin of |
| Cubs | Anthony Rizzo 1b Zach Cates rhp |
Andrew Cashner rhp Kyung-Min Na of |
In addition to the $500,000 sent to San Diego in the trade for Street, Colorado is on the hook for the $500,000 buyout should the Padres decide to decline the closer's $9 million club option for 2013.
| Padres Contracts Signed This Winter | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pos | Player | Type | Total Contract | 2012 Salary |
| OF | Mark Kotsay | FA | 1-year, $1.25m | $1,250,000 |
| P/DH | Micah Owings | FA | 1-year, $1m | $1,000,000 |
| OF | Carlos Quentin | Arb | 1-year, $7.025m | $7,025,000 |
| 3B | Chase Headley | Arb | 1-year, $3.425m | $3,425,000 |
| SP | Tim Stauffer | Arb | 1-year, $3.2m | $3,200,000 |
| SP | Clayton Richard | Arb | 1-year, $2.705m | $2,705,000 |
| SP | Edinson Volquez | Arb | 1-year, $2.2375m | $2,237,500 |
| SP | Dustin Moseley | Arb | 1-year, $2.0125m | $2,012,500 |
| C | Nick Hundley | Arb | 1-year, $2m | $2,000,000 |
| RP | Luke Gregerson | Arb | 1-year, $1.55m | $1,550,000 |
| OF | Will Venable | Arb | 1-year, $1.475m | $1,475,000 |
| OF | Chris Denorfia |
Arb | 1-year, $1.165m | $1,165,000 |
| C | John Baker |
Arb | 1-year, $750k | $750,000 |
| RP | Joe Thatcher |
Arb | 1-year, $700k | $700,000 |
The Padres had a whopping 12 players eligible for salary arbitration, and got them all signed by the end of January. San Diego also signed pitcher Jeff Suppan and outfielder Jeremy Hermida, among others, to minor-league contracts.

| Padres Players Lost | ||
|---|---|---|
| Pos | Player | New Team |
| CL | Heath Bell | Marlins |
| SP | Aaron Harang | Dodgers |
| RP | Chad Qualls | Phillies |
| 1B | Brad Hawpe | Rangers* |
| C | Rob Johnson | Mets* |
| IF | Alberto Gonzalez | Rangers* |
| RP | Jeff Fulchino | Nationals* |
| *Minor league deal | ||
Here's my guess as to the Padres' 25-man roster, with a few assumptions mixed in:
| 2012 Padres Under Contract | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Pos | Player | 2012 Age* | 2012 Salary |
| C | Nick Hundley | 28 | $2,000,000 |
| 1B | Yonder Alonso | 25 | $1,000,000 |
| 2B | Orlando Hudson | 34 | $5,500,000 |
| 3B | Chase Headley | 28 | $3,475,000 |
| SS | Jason Bartlett | 32 | $5,500,000 |
| LF | Carlos Quentin | 29 | $7,025,000 |
| CF | Cameron Maybin | 25 | team control |
| RF | Will Venable |
29 | $1,475,000 |
| OF | Mark Kotsay | 36 | $1,250,000 |
| IF | Andy Parrino | 26 | team control |
| OF | Chris Denorfia | 31 | $1,165,000 |
| 1B | Jesus Guzman | 28 | team control |
| C | John Baker | 31 | $750,000 |
| SP | Tim Stauffer | 30 | $3,200,000 |
| SP | Edinson Volquez | 28 | $2,237,500 |
| SP | Clayton Richard | 28 | $2,705,000 |
| SP | Cory Luebke | 27 | team control |
| SP | Dustin Moseley | 30 | $2,012,500 |
| CL | Huston Street | 28 | $7,000,000 |
| RHP | Luke Gregerson | 28 | $1,550,000 |
| RHP | Ernesto Frieri | 26 | team control |
| LHP | Joe Thatcher | 30 | $700,000 |
| LHP |
Josh Spence |
24 | team control |
| RHP | Micah Owings | 29 | $1,000,000 |
| RHP | Andrew Cashner | 25 | team control |
| Totals (18 players) |
$49,545,000 | ||
| *Age as of June 30, 2012 |
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Thanks to Baseball-Reference.com and Cot's Baseball Contracts. Orlando Hudson photo courtesy of Getty Images.
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I give their farm system
A fifth place vote
Tommy Blackjack - February 9, 2012 via iPhone app
I came here to make a similar joke
But you did better than I would have
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
That’s a real bad rotation.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
Indeed
Clearly they are looking beyond 2012.
BFDC - February 9, 2012
I don’t see how they are bad.
They don’t have anyone great, but do they have anyone bad?
Stauffer is not bad
Luebke is certainly not bad
Richard is not bad
Volquez could easily bounceback in Petco
Moesely – okay he’s a fifth starter
With Erlin, Weiland, Cashner , and even Casey Kelly ready to help in 2012.
Maybe Cashner remains in the bullpen.
Still think the Padres will be the most underrated team in baseball this year.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
It’s not the Orioles or anything but between Petco and that defense an average pitcher should have something like a 3.5 ERA. No one except maybe Volquez is aggressively bad but none of them are good.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
They seem average to me.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
You know I think I replace Stauffer with Tim Redding in my mind and that doesn’t help.
Still three low ceiling maybe average guys, a huge wild card like Volquez and Moseley isn’t a good rotation.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
if the consensus is that the Padres will win 60 games this year, then yes the Padres may be one of the most underrated teams in baseball this year. What do you put their over/under wins at?
Xeifrank - February 9, 2012
I’ll take the over from whatever your sims or Vegas puts it at
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
CAIRO puts them ahead of the Dodgers if you really believe.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
I saw her face … but still not a believer.
Xeifrank - February 9, 2012
Not contenders but not doormats. They may finish last but I don’t think there will be a huge spread between last and fourth.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Yeah, that’s usually the case.
Xeifrank - February 9, 2012
85. :)
Xeifrank - February 9, 2012
I like it better than the Rockies’.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
you crazy
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
I am curious which Padre reclamation guy becomes a solid bullpen contributor this year. Every year it is someone. When you can flip a Mike Adams for two rotation pieces even if they are not front of the line pitchers you are doing something right.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Does make you gag when the highest paid player is a relief pitcher
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
I got a feeling that Hundley and Headley will be very popular around the trade deadline. With their depth at third and catcher, they could continue to reload what is already a strong farm system.
dangerisland - February 9, 2012
1st base platoon of Guzman/ Alonzo could be quite effective
Headley is now one of the better 3rd baseman in the NL
Hundley quietly had a solid year
Maybin may be coming on, he’s always had the same skill set as McCutcheon.
Even in the minor Quentin lead the league in getting hit. It was always a huge part of his OBP. Ron Hunt was his little league coach
As DodgerIsland says, I expect Hundley to be attractive trade bait this summer.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Agreed
They are the most balanced team in the division. There are teams with stronger uhhh strengths, but they have the fewest holes.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
Anyone with Insider know how we fared in KLaw’s top 100?
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
lee 41
webster 61
eovaldi 79
delias man - February 9, 2012
Yet he has us 12 based primarily on our pitching. Interesting.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Wow, way higher on Webster than anyone else and I actually agree. Goes a long way to explaining the 12th place rank.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
HQ
Lee – 55
Webster – 82
Eovaldi – 94
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Padres have six in HQ’s top 100
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
same with Law
delias man - February 9, 2012
At least I’m not alone on the Webster Wagon.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
seemed plenty of TBLA voters liked Webby
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
After that DeJon piece, if he’s touching mid-to-high 90s with a plus-plus changeup, yes please.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
and he has trout 1 harper 2 fuck i hope trout is not going to be that good.
delias man - February 9, 2012
Lot of smart people saying like Trout more than Harper and they think Harper is gonna be a beast. Sadly he is that damn good.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
In ten years the Stadium will be referred to as the Trout Farm
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
i will still call it “the place the rams played”
delias man - February 9, 2012
because he's an Angel?
Or you just want Harper to be better?
Tommy Blackjack - February 9, 2012 via iPhone app
both
delias man - February 9, 2012
Not sure if previously mentioned somewhere but
Law ranked Scott Barlow #10 on the Dodgers top 10 list. Pederson was the only hitter at #8. Also had Sanchez at #6 ahead of Withrow (which seems dumb to me, but whatever).
BFDC - February 9, 2012
Starting to get interested in this Barlow fellow
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
you got me interested in Bawcom, and why a guy with those three pitches couldn’t be a starter.
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
I didn’t mention Barlow in my story, but De Jon brought him up without me asking about him.
JonWeisman - February 9, 2012
"Dynamic ticket pricing"
We should get comfortable with the concept – it’s the ultimate blend of capitalism and computer technology.
latenite - February 9, 2012
At least it’s a better solution than “if you want Yankees tickets, you gotta buy tickets to eight more games”
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
“I’d hate to think of something bad happening, ya know?”
Tommy Blackjack - February 9, 2012 via iPhone app
Definitely – not necessarily a bad thing. When plenty of tickets are available, prices will be less. You’ll feel gouged on big games, though. That’s capitalism!
latenite - February 9, 2012
It’s not “gouging” if the demand is there.
David Young - February 9, 2012
Better than “Dynamic Dodger Dog Pricing”. That would be horrible. “Hey, the weather’s great, so your Dodger dog cost 50 cents more!”
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
You think they sell more dodger dogs on day games or night games?
Probably day games, but if I were to get a hot dog, it’d be a night game where I didn’t eat before the game.
Michael White - February 9, 2012
Yeah I’d do the same. Unless I hadn’t brought a lunch along.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
Who was it again last season who walked 8 Dodgers in under two innings?
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
On the Pads?
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
Ah right Stauffer never mind
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
Stauffer, Aug 30th – six in the 2nd
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Thanks
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
He walked seven, it is the only time in his career he has walked more then 5. In his career he has only walked fiver or more three times, it was very out of character.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Billingsley has done it 16 times. He has also walked 7 once, but it took him 5 innings
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
I remember that game. Stauffer was pissed at the home plate umpire, thought he was getting squeezed. But I don’t know, you’d think after walk number four or so you might make an adjustment and not keep trying to hit the same spot that keeps getting called a ball.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
That was hilarious to watch on CBS Sportscenter, because you could look at what people were saying and they were either laughing their heads off or just getting annoyed.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
Oops he only walked 7 over all.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
On this day 20 years ago
Magic came out of retirement to play in the all-star game
Michael White - February 9, 2012
Wonder if Eric wrote the shit out of this on SBNation LA:)
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
I am going to for the All-Star Game week
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
My daily sports facts calendar sitting on my desk is easier to notice
Michael White - February 9, 2012
We might have mentioned it yesterday with tears in our eyes
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
what was yesterdays
delias man - February 9, 2012
“Ken Caminiti is still dead.”
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
LOL
delias man - February 9, 2012
Did you see the horrible post on “Ball Don’t Lie” where Dwyer chastised a Clipper fan for “trolling” Ryan Gomes’ wife?
1) He wasn’t trolling her at all. He just tweeted that Gomes sucks (hey, we all do that) a few times and she went ape shit.
2) I could only imagine what the story would have been like if somebody caught the Ken Caminimit episode from Thanksgiving.
Michael White - February 9, 2012
but those kids started it….
delias man - February 9, 2012
i see that loney and eric anthony jr. are friends. I am disappointed by this.
delias man - February 9, 2012
Houston connection?
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
If he tweeted it directly to her, he’s trolling.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
He didn’t. Somebody else told her about it.
Michael White - February 9, 2012
Well, that’s stupid.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
he did not, she is the one responsible for getting involved. Can’t be thin skinned and be the wife of a POS athlete
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
2/8/1942, a baseball game between major leaguers and convicts at Folsom Prison is stopped when two prisoners serving life sentences escape. Major leaguers were winning 24-5, they caught the escaped prisoners a few hours later.
Michael White - February 9, 2012
Haha, that is great
Especially since it reads like the prisoners were caught by the major leaguers. :)
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
the major leaguers caught the prisoners?
delias man - February 9, 2012
No, the guards did.
Michael White - February 9, 2012
they prolly beat the shit out of those prisoners
delias man - February 9, 2012
Ugueth Urbina didn’t have a good game pitching, I see.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
Tim Hardaway handled his demotion from the starting lineup like a champ.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
and proceeded to drop the illest ball fake ever on poor Spree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeqkGwnHqrQ
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
…four years later.
We are talking about the greatest All-Star Game ever, in any sport. 1992.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
My bad…..I just read the out of retirement part….but still
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcQdFMz9v7g&feature=related
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1alYEIZ4c
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
best all-star unis ever
delias man - February 9, 2012
I always remember Spreewell choking in big situations.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
Yet another Dick Enberg game. Oh my.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
So the year before last I was at AT&T Park and watching a Dodgers-Giants game, and so we figured, “Well, maybe what they’re calling ’Giant’s Dogs’ are just Dodger Dogs with the wrong name”, so we got some. They were just plain hot dogs. Pitiful.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
I was so busy trying to figure out why they called their smaller hot dogs Giant Dogs
that when I got to the front I accidentally asked for a dodger dog. While wearing a dodger shirt and cap… at a cubs giants game.
nolander - February 9, 2012
When we asked for a Dodger Dog they just laughed and said, "Sorr, no, we don’t have those.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
I live near SF and they sell packs of 18 frozen Dodger Dogs. It’s brilliant.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
can’t beat that meat
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
In Pony League
the best team’s sponsor was was a meta-packing org. called King Meat.
So every opposing team used to chant “Beat the Meat” in the dugout
mleadman - February 9, 2012
Where the Elite Meet to Beat Their Meat. /groening
kinbote - February 9, 2012
I got a t shirt froma thrift shirt for a little league team that I still don’t know if it is real.
It was for J&B Sanitation: #1 at a #2 Job
fbihop - February 9, 2012
In my youth
Nothing will ever top “Liquor in the Front . . .”
kinbote - February 9, 2012
there was a special on PBS last night, very interesting, about African lions. One of the segments was analyzing big cat poop vs their prey to see how much energy is actually absorbed. Apparently herbivores only absorb like 40% of the energy in their food, and have these labyrinthian guts to perform the task. But the Lions and Tigers absorb 70% and have uncomplex digestive systems. This is why big cats are so lean, and also the theory behind Atkins. The problem is the human digestive system needs that indigestible food
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
I’m not an expert but our intestines seem a bit labryinthian
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
which is why we need indigestible food. Omnivores need fiber!
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
I read this as unicomplex, and it sounded awesome.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
most stomachs want Dodger Dogs at DS, my stomach wants readable number fonts
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
I want uncarbonated orange drink back.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Something in the water in Detroit?
Nolij - February 9, 2012
Oh my
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Lions...that reminds me of something...oh yeah, this is it :)
The Dude Abides - February 9, 2012
lion sex lasts 30 seconds, so a dominant male will have sex with as many partners as he can when the females are in estrus. The more testosterone a male has, the darker his mane, the more dominant he is perceived. The reason dominance is so important to females, is because rival males committing infanticide is very common, they need a mate who will protect his cubs.
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
Which might help explain how maneless males often end up becoming maneaters
The Dude Abides - February 9, 2012
Oates had a hell of a mane.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
Don't sell Hall's mane short!
The Dude Abides - February 9, 2012
I can’t go for that.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
No can do
kinbote - February 9, 2012
These statements should be private, eyes-only
The Dude Abides - February 9, 2012
SHE GONE!
David Young - February 9, 2012
FWIW
The new Sports Weekly [I know] has their yearly 100 Names to Know for 2012. We placed four: Dee, Eovaldi, Fedex, & Sellers. They appear to be higher on Sellers than we are.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Sellers in the top 100? Hmm, I wonder if that’s a sign? Maybe?
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
I’d like for him to make the team. We could use someone with SS skills and he might add a little excitement in the occasional spot start.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
I’d rather watch Peter Sellers
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
What are the odds that Dee Gordon starts every game that he’s healthy?
I would bet on it
Michael White - February 9, 2012
I hope not. I think with his frame he’s going to need some breaks along the way.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
I do realize Hairston is probably adequate to play SS ocassionally. Come to think of it, I probably don’t care if he makes the team. I do agree that I’d rather have Sands in AAA than riding the bench.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
I think the Dodgers need a hitter of some sort for that final bench spot (or if it’s Sands, he would likely start more with Rivera sliding to more of a reserve role).
I believe Adam Kennedy is a backup first baseman in the same way Jay Gibbons is a semi-regular left fielder.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
If Sands makes the team, Loney and Ethier would never have to face lefty’s.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
Thank goodness we have an experienced manager to navigate these difficult waters :)
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Makes sense. Sands winning the LF job with Rivera becoming our Saenz would make me happy. I just see Rivera as our starting LF at this point.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Which is pitiful.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
I still think there is a good chance that Sands is our starting LF. The coaching staff has at least recognized our deficiency against LH pitching and they will deploy Rivera in the role that he is best suited for, lefty masher playing for both Loney and Ethier.
OB12 - February 9, 2012
I have no reason to believe that Ethier will be sitting much against LHP
Michael White - February 9, 2012
Indubitably.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
I thought he sat a good amount last year. Maybe I am misremembering.
OB12 - February 9, 2012
That said, he will sit less than Loney will against LHP.
OB12 - February 9, 2012
He was also hurting a bit. And Rivera was doing decently.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
When he was hurt, not sure how often he sat against LHP when he was “healthy”. I do think he’s on a shorter leash this year in relation to LHP. If he struggles early I would not be surprised to see him platooned quickly.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
I think this applies to Loney as well. In fact, I could see almost but not quite a strict platoon for Loney from the start.
OB12 - February 9, 2012
Platooning Loney increases the chances “Jim” will be the Loney on the field this season.
latenite - February 9, 2012
Can't wait for him or his agent to lash out about it
nolander - February 9, 2012
I’m thinking that Hairston ends up playing a LOT this season. I predict a Carrol-esque year from him.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
Ditto.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
We’ve made so many moves I can’t tell you right now what the infield depth chart looks like.
Anybody want to take a stab at it?
Michael White - February 9, 2012
Seems easy enough
1st – Loney / Rivera
2nd – Ellis / Kennedy/Hairston
SS – Gordon/Hairston
3rd – Uribe / Hairston / Kennedy
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Yeah
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Im wondering more about RF and LF
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
Gwynn and Ethier.
Gwynn when Rivera isn’t playing.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
Hairston could end up saving Ned from himself. It took him three tries but on the 3rd try he got it right.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
In that case, I think Hairston will get plenty of PT, just at 2nd and 3rd. I do think Donny will ride Gordon hard.
Michael White - February 9, 2012
Yes, I would not be surprised to see Hairston get 350 at bats.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
And Kennedy to become our main LH PH.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Agreed on Gordon.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Agreed.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
I’m not excited by this.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Chicken Pecota
Boy is there a lot of math in this:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15992
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Really don’t like that model. It will probably work out to be better in the average case but for guys that collapse or breakout it can look really ugly, and those collapse/breakout candidates are what people are really looking for in a projection system, not predicting Kurt Suzuki will have the same year he usually does.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
PECOTA
Broken for two years in a row now.
Xeifrank - February 9, 2012
If I used the weighting system they used on their projections for my simulator, I’d get mauled by Vegas. Mauled I’m telling you. They are going to miss the improvements/unimprovements in both hitters and pitchers.
Xeifrank - February 9, 2012
Evidently there was a reason why BP kept all their equations from the public. I don’t know squat about what they are doing but if you and Reg both say bullshit then I tend to side on the side of bullshit.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Some Projections
Uribe: .241/.293/.385
Ellis: .251/.307/.359
Rivera: .252/.307/.393
Hairston: .248/.304/.352
Loney: .278/.338/.404
Fuck, they even have Kemp at .288/.348/.480.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Hehe.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
Yeah right.
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
That is about in line with his 2009 season. Seems reasonable. Until he proves otherwise 2011 is a huge outlier to his career.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
HQ has a more optimistic outlook
and you all know how much I rely on them:)
893 OPS
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
And that’s why I hate it. Kemp’s insane breakout season means only slightly more than 2010. Uribe and Ellis totally falling to pieces is out weighted by their decent seasons in 09 and 10.
For players in the middle of a consistent career, yeah this is probably a much better method but now it really can’t capture older guys having their careers come to a crashing halt or young guys breaking out.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
Also might be off because their comparables seem completely broken. Someone named Oscar Tavarez ended up with Al Kaline, Ken Griffey Jr and Justin Upton as his comps.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
Yes
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Am I imagining Jerry Sands ending up with Barry as one of his comps?
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
Nope
His comps were Barry Bonds, Boog Powell, and Ryan Klesko
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Unless they decided to make characters in your name the most important factor that’s just straight up broken.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
I don’t know why I’m so fixated on handedness but I hate comps where they do not match.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Stop comping Escobar to Gordon then!
BFDC - February 9, 2012
SCORE
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
That is what is holding Alcides back
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
It really is. His right-handedness makes him have to sit back in the box and try to rip the ball, whereas Dee can just slap it all over the place. I know they have some stat similarities and play SS, but they are not really similar types of hitters in terms of style and approach.
BFDC - February 9, 2012
Oh yeah, I forgot Godon: .259/.289/.318
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Huge uptick in patience :)
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
I’ve been using Alcides Escobar as a comp for Gordon, they are close in Pecota.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
That would suck
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
Not like Ozzie Smith was an offensive factor his first few years.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
You didn’t just compare Dee Gordon with Ozzie Smith did you?
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Go crazy, folks! Go crazy!
fbihop - February 9, 2012
Yup, I went there
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
I think I started this like 2 years ago. Lots more similarities than one might think.
BFDC - February 9, 2012
Yup, but I wonder how many fans today would wait for the percolation of Ozzie Smith.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
That would blow
Michael White - February 9, 2012
"No really? I thought I could do better!"
“It’s just….. there aren’t enough fans!”
DodgerofTrolleys - February 9, 2012
The current Dodgers starting lineup is projected to total 11.6 WARP
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
The five starting pitchers total 10.0 WARP.
It projects the starting five to make 146 starts, none fewer than 28.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Can’t decide if it is a good or bad thing if Capang make 28 starts each.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
I think it’s good. The fact they’re also signed for 2013 is bad.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Is WARP using a different baseline or did they just predict that we’d win like 62 games?
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
I didn’t total up the bench and bullpen, but I can’t imagine it would be more than 5 WARP (Jansen is 1.6). Seems super low.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Those Kemp and Kershaw projection means 7 or 8 wins right off the top so that’s a start.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
how much of that is just kemp?
delias man - February 9, 2012
Andre has an excellent projection
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
That is it.
Basically the offense would be Kemp / Andre and the six stooges
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
that is the cold reality anyways
delias man - February 9, 2012
nyuk nyuk nyuk
Tommy Blackjack - February 9, 2012 via iPhone app
Kemp is 4.1.
Kershaw is 4.4 on the pitching side.
Next best is Lilly at 2.6 and Ethier at 2.5
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
How does Ellis end up with a 307 obp
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
Mark
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
gotcha
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
A.J. is at .243/.357/.307
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
That seems reasonable.
OB12 - February 9, 2012
how accurate are these projection sites anyways?? The ones that project standings, did they get them all right last year?? the last 5 years??
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
Ask me when the fourth or fifth revision of Pecota comes out.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
I mean, I assume they must be more accurate then not, since alot of you enjoy these sites. But just curious how accurate it is, or if its more for fun or what.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
I like using a mix of projections, but Pecota in the last few years has made so many mistakes and re-releases that I have almost completely ignored them.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Yeah, just putting it out there for discussion. It’s been god-awful recently.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
“Did they get everything right the past five years? No. Then this is all bullshit we should ignore”
Michael White - February 9, 2012
haha no, but knowing how accurate they have been in the past will make me feel more, or less confident about the Dodgers. If they are very accurate, then I’ll know not to jump into this upcoming Dodger season heart first.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
If its like 50% accurate, then I know good chance they could be wrong, and I can just assume they will be until proven otherwise.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
We’ll have the player by player projections for a few different sources coming up soon.
Michael White - February 9, 2012
Starting Monday!
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
These are the player profiles like from last year?
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
Maybe
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
I dont think the purpose of these is to be Carnac the Magnificent, but rather engage in (and share) their process to try and understand the trends and develop tools and metrics to gauge them as best they can.
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
I’m just wondering what the Reds think of the Wins Over Replacement Player system. You know, WARP in Cincinnati . . .
kinbote - February 9, 2012
The set up is what made it funny
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
If Loney OBPs .338 we’re in a world of hurt.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
I'm thinking sub .450 Slugging and we're screwed
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
so we’re screwed
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Bobbie Down: at the same time the most optimistic and most pessimistic commenter on TBLA
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
It’s a tough job to do, but someone’s gotta do it.
I’m very optimistic about Mr Jim Loney, I’m thinking .310/.375/.460 with 40 doubles and 15 HR.
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
And of course, the obligatory Tommy Blackjack tag
#batshitinsane
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
it's only BSI
If that’s his line by the ASB
Tommy Blackjack - February 9, 2012 via iPhone app
For loney
It just may be BSI, haha.
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
@jay_jaffe
fbihop - February 9, 2012
We all knew that Oil Can Boyd liked to party. But, man, did he like to party.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
First ballot Drug Hall of Famer.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Best 1/2 punch for Drugs
Oil Can/Dock Ellis?
mleadman - February 9, 2012
Doc/Darryl
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
Raines can lead off
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Rockin’
kinbote - February 9, 2012
James Loney talked to Dylan Hernandez about the November car accident and the Dodgers pursuit of Prince Fielder, but didn’t say much.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Bad cutting on my part
In that first paragraph, the “that” refers to the Dodgers’ pursuit of Prince Fielder.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
He’s also been quoting as saying something to the effect of, “Of course it would help our team he’s a great hitter.” Must’ve been feeling snippy with Dylan.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
In honor of the death of their creator
on my desk this morning:
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
What are the friends names? I only know Lemonhead.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
I always liked Lemonheads. The friends suck though.
BFDC - February 9, 2012
Grapehead, Applehead, etc.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
That’s not very clever. Must not be a Willy Wonka joint.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
For the ladies
Matt Kemp workout video
(sorry Gary)
Hollywood Joe - February 9, 2012
why sorry
that was sick
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
I love working out
and this video made me sad to be at my office today
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
I jumped up and ran over to watch it over his shoulder. He just now realized why you said sorry.
Maddz - February 9, 2012
oh
i got you. she was standing right behind me watching it and I got the “can I do the Matt Kemp workout please?”
Oi
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
he's a good looking dude
and he’s super swole, but I’m seriously all about that workout…the wheelbarrow into PUSHUPS looks fucking brutal.
Maddz - February 9, 2012
Dude, I totally want to do that workout.
Maddz - February 9, 2012
it looks couples friendly
and pain. Lots of pain.
nolander - February 9, 2012
Any predictions Mr. Lang?
Lex in Brooklyn - February 9, 2012
I predict that workout would make me barf
Hollywood Joe - February 9, 2012
so hard
nolander - February 9, 2012
Its incredibly hard.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
Call a doctor.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
... How do you know its been 4 hours?
nolander - February 9, 2012
I was reading the Maddz workout list last week
and I kept reading.
10 pukes
20 vomits
30 barfs
etc…
Seriously though, I hope to have a daily workout routine once I hit Arizona.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Maddz and I will officially be in AZ from 3/9-3/18
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
I will be here during those dates
delias man - February 9, 2012
I will be writing material for other people’s future jokes during those dates
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
Beware the somethings of something.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
you have not even been close into making it into my 10 minute act. I have way better stories on internet hookups
delias man - February 9, 2012
i more meant the thing i wrote about how people looked in spring training.
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
i more meant the thing i wrote about how people looked in spring training.
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
you were wrong on jansen but that is all.
delias man - February 9, 2012
i was right. he made an adjustment 1/3 of the season in.
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
i'm not going to do this right now
we need to be unified for saturday.
delias man - February 9, 2012
whatever happens on Saturday, we will have a lot more ammunition to make fun of each other
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
By the 3rd game we will be so lifeless out there I think we will see people falling on the base paths
Should be fun !
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
Optimistically that would mean we had been scoring mucho runs and are tired from running the base paths.
Pessimistcally that might mean our outfielders were dog ass tired from running down opposing gappers.
We can interchange our outfielder every two innings. We should be able to keep them fresh. It is only an hour of softball every two hours. You kids should be able to eat that up.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
His peripherals were pretty conistent all year though
Though it’s pretty hard to do this analysis because relievers (particularly one who got injured) have a real sample size problem when looking at splits. That being said, his sample size for IP in March/April is as big as any other month and it doesn’t look like he was materially worse.
xFIP:
March/April: 2.84
May: 3.68
June: 2.78
July: 2.08
Aug: 3.44
Sep/Oct: <0.14>
Michael White - February 9, 2012
He basically just had two bad appearances in April that everyone went batshit over.
BFDC - February 9, 2012
Don’t think any one went batshit over. This is a reasonable group.
for the most part
some of the time
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Take it to the guano thread.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Right. For comparision, during March/April he had an ERA of 7.43.
Michael White - February 9, 2012
The 3rd game of the year (10-0 loss...of course I was there)
Jansen got wrecked. It was amazing how only one other time he really looked bad.
At the end of the year he saved Kershaw’s hide twice in the 8th inning with 2 on, what a beast.
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
Dee Gordon
is working out with him in that video too
JJ 24 - February 9, 2012
The Orioles got kicked out of South Korea today, and it’s real funny. From Jon Bernhardt.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
what rules/laws did the actually break?
nolander - February 9, 2012
Went to a high schooler, offered him a contract. All they had to do was ask the Korean Baseball League permission first.
Also the guy they signed is now banned from playing pro baseball in Korea.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
Baltimore Orioles: Screwing up Baseball in Two Hemispheres Since 1998.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Sad, because checking out the 60 Orioles reminded me of just what an awesome franchise they were. At least we are getting rid of our owner, and if you think an owner with money is going to be great then just look at the Orioles. I feel for any franchise that has litigation lawyer as their owner.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
I was actually bullish on their lineup a year ago but then someone (probably reg) reminded me they had no pitching.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
All the kids had issues, but they all have skills. They might have made one of the better under reported signings of the season from Japan.
They also just signed Nick Johnson to a minor league contract. See what you can do when you don’t have any scouts
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Yet they have about an 80% chance of finishing in last place and 95% chance of finishing in 4th/5th.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Yeah, we would too if we played in the AL East
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Didn’t they sign two from Japan, Wada and someone else?
OB12 - February 9, 2012
T.J. Quinn
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Yin Chen (a lefty with supposedly great stuff).
kinbote - February 9, 2012
OTOH they signed a 17 year old who throws in the mid 80s and his best pitch is a curve ball.
I have zero faith in anyone the Orioles value the more than anyone.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
Or the scouting reports from South Korea are bullshit, or their scouts noticed something in his delivery can easily be fixed.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
If a 17 year olds best pitch is a curveball, he’s been throwing a curve ball from way to young of an age and his arm will explode.
Also until Korea stepped in their plan was to put him in full season ball. At 17.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
You are relying on the baseball establishment who would want the Oriole plan to fail miserably for your information. They are the one’s linking this info. Color me skeptical.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
It’s Duquette who said he wants to start a 17 year old in A ball.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
I think that’s an excellent poing (re: curveballs) but isn’t that basically what the scouting report was on Gould coming out of high school?
Michael White - February 9, 2012
Any number of BA reports will say “curve ball best pitch”. I’m guessing we should throw those out.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
A year makes a huge difference.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
to be fair, a lot of kids just kind of get it. on the third hand, all the guys i’ve seen whose best pitch in high school was a curveball at some point had shoulder tendonitis or shoulder/elbow surgery. so i’m not sure what i believe.
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
I didn’t look at Maury Brown’s arbitration database, but I wonder if a team has had more arb-eligible players than the 12 by the Padres this offseason.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Dodgers had nine a few years back.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Also if Kershaw had waited until next week to sign, I was going to write an article on the Dodgers history in arbitration hearings. I may still do it, but probably not.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
What are you waitiNg for?
kinbote - February 9, 2012
so give me something to believe.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
Today may or may not be a big day in my life
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
please explain
delias man - February 9, 2012
Bosom shave?
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Naked Bosom Shave™
silverwidow - February 9, 2012
You got my attention
mleadman - February 9, 2012
You grabbed attention
Now when you don’t respond we will all be wondering, haha.
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
Classic meercat behavior.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
I know man.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
You need me to read the lotto ticket you’ve got for verification?
keithc13 - February 9, 2012
To balance out the "too thin" Maria Menuonos
Here is a picture of someone who was left home alone, apparently with no food at all:
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Apparently he is trying to star in a live-action version of Nightmare Before Christmas.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
dam, and this fool is spankin Mila Kunis?
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
was
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
I was thinking the exact same thing. Mila Kunis should be commended for not being as shallow as… everyone else in the world?
ishXdavid - February 9, 2012
It’s a turf war on a global scale.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
It must blow chunks to peak at 8 years old
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
I’ll ask my brother Greg what it is like.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Well, better to peak at 8 then not peak at all…. He still made a shit load of money, not sure what he has of it left, but he is still famous atleast. He probably got molested.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
Id rather be a member of the non famous middle America and not be raped by an adult…
keithc13 - February 9, 2012
wat
nolander - February 9, 2012
well, when Corey Haim died, Feldman came out and said alot of Haims addiction came from being molested as a kid coming up through the movie business, etc, and there are some studio big wigs that molest these star kids. They still exsist according to Feldman. So MAYBE it happened to Culkin, but im just throwing around accusations.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
Either way, he made millions, he is famous, he got to be with Mila Kunis for 8 years, whatever happens from here on out, he’s lived a better life to this point then most ever live.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
if those are the things that are most valuable to you
some people don’t care about being famous
nolander - February 9, 2012
oops, I mean unless bad stuff did happen to him as a kid, then thats fucked up.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
thats just what people whom arent famous say.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
no
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
I was joking.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
Wealthy, sure. Famous, sounds like a hassle.
OB12 - February 9, 2012
+1
kinbote - February 9, 2012
The Entertainment Industry is just teeming with unsavory characters in power.
ishXdavid - February 9, 2012
I like how this is just added on after all of the positive stuff.
OB12 - February 9, 2012
cocaine is a hell of a drug. His brother is hot though
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
You saying you would like to [redacted] Kieran nightly?
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
{standing O}
kinbote - February 9, 2012
well done
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
His bro's been really good in quite a few indie films lately
underdog - February 9, 2012
The last film I saw him in, he was in a wheelchair and did not embarrass himself as an actor. Photo’s are whack, you can make some good looking people look bad. This photo was probably taken before he’d had a chance to suck up his daily blood quotient.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
yep
nolander - February 9, 2012
Saved. Quality flick.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
Very clever movie.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
"I am filled with God's love!"
…she angrily retorts, throwing a Bible at her classmate’s head.
The Dude Abides - February 9, 2012
and Scott Pilgrim!
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
x
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Christ he looks bad.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Anyone know when the At Bat app is available?
/too lazy to look it up
keithc13 - February 9, 2012
Unavailable in Arkansas
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Too complicated
mleadman - February 9, 2012
Amusing stuff from Will Ferrell, introducing the New Orleans Hornets on court yesterday
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/will-ferrell-announcer-bulls-hornets-288486
“Trevor Ariza still listens to Bell Biv DeVoe!”
underdog - February 9, 2012
Ha, I was just watching that.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
"ironically he hates Italian food" wasn't quite as funny. Gotta work on your Bellinelli intro, Will.
underdog - February 9, 2012
Wow. Just wow.
I find this to be really embarassing for teh Dodgers.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/what-is-sabermetrics-and-which-teams-use-it/
court168627 - February 9, 2012
One branch to rule them all.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
or for the person making assumptions and actually writing that article.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Well, the article was written by Vic Innuendo.
Xeifrank - February 9, 2012
Color me skeptical that a writer for fangraphs has enough knowledge about 30 different teams management to make a decision on who does or does not have analysts within the organization. I guess every intern for every team has leaked to him what every fucking person does in the company’s infrastructure.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
What color is skeptical? Does crayon make this?
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
black
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
sadly
it seems very possible.
delias man - February 9, 2012
My only thought to this piece is “what an arrogant fuck”.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Redundant when commenting on a Fangraphs article.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
The Cardinals just hired the dork rocket scientist from Fantasyland to be their director of stats or something and the best he can come up with is “I don’t know if they use stats or not”
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
There’s literally zero teams that employee no statisticians. Even the Twins supposedly have someone.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
Okay done raging on this article after this. This article is incredibly insulting to anyone that actually works for these teams. If he knew how staggeringly smart even the lowest level guys were he’d give up his writing career in a heartbeat.
Plus there’s the really horrible assumption that anyone can scout so everyone has it. It’s really plan to see the A’s can’t draft a hitter to save their lives but they’ve got someone out there so it totally counts.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
This
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
I like how you didn’t use the Dodgers for this.
David Young - February 9, 2012
Clearly this guy does not know about the existence of Alex Tamin!
BFDC - February 9, 2012
Jeopardy Photo quiz!
Where was Nolan Ryan when this picture was taken?
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
Inside an Atari 2600
kinbote - February 9, 2012
vero beach?
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
Chris wins!
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
sweet, I made a good guess…. could just tell by scoreboard it was a ST site, can see it shows Dodgers as the home team, only place I know of before AZ was Vero Beach. What threw me off a little was why were the Astros wearing their home uniform?
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
or maybe back then, white wasnt always the home team.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
my guess would be rules weren’t too strict for ST. Dodgers probably felt a tequilla sunrise rainbow was enough differentiation
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
Wasn’t that the Astros road uniform too for a number of years?
Has to be early in the Houston tenure for Ryan. Maybe 1980 or 1981.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Nope
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
That’s racist
kinbote - February 9, 2012
On the pitcher’s mound.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
Earth
silverwidow - February 9, 2012
you know, you could go on Jeopardy and answer every question with Earth, and Alex Trebek would slap you
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
FORM OF A QUESTION, ASSTARD!
Nolij - February 9, 2012
Except, the question was a question, not a statement ala Jeopardy “questions”. So, no need to answer the question in the form of a question. Otherwise, you get this:
Where was this picture taken?
Where is Vero Beach?
In Florida, but please answer my question, where was this picture taken?
latenite - February 9, 2012
“Who are three men who have never been in my kitchen?”
fbihop - February 9, 2012
We know Coolio has been in the kitchen, he just doesn’t know what’s cookin.
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
Wow. I didn’t remember major leaguers ever wearing mesh trucker hats.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
Say that to his face.
kinbote - February 9, 2012
right? It must have just been for Spring Training, but very strange
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
In a state of bliss
fbihop - February 9, 2012
That is a badass photo.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
QUICK!! What stadium?
delias man - February 9, 2012
Topps Field.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Osceola County?
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
BrianShawnHolman StadiumNolij - February 9, 2012
vero beach.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
On the mound?
mleadman - February 9, 2012
Huh
bhsportsguy - February 9, 2012
Was Kissimmee ravaged by a hurricane maybe that year?
Nolij - February 9, 2012
Osceola opening in 1985, maybe it wasn’t ready yet?
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
But again
the Cubs would never be playing games in Florida during ST.
bhsportsguy - February 9, 2012
Right.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
SI got the photo from Getty Images
the Getty Images description makes no mention of the Cubs. I call SI shenanigans
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
Getty got the image from Focus on Sport. That’s where it dead ends for me
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
nice work tracing the source
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
I got paid once to find out these things
And I am pretty good at it
bhsportsguy - February 9, 2012
this is garbage
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/02/08/la-county-oks-1000-fine-for-throwing-football-frisbee-on-beaches/
delias man - February 9, 2012
This is
so yesterday.
bhsportsguy - February 9, 2012
oops
delias man - February 9, 2012
it’s stupid. There obviously have to be more important things to worry about at the beach. Maybe like the life guards or the police running over and killing sunbathers with their four wheel drives.
Xeifrank - February 9, 2012
I imagine
you had incidents between people on the beach where some overthrown frisbee or football hit someone else and they complained to the lifeguard, now you don’t have to worry about this because you probably give people a warning and tell them what the fine is and they won’t disrupt anyone anymore. Not sure why folks want to throw things on the beach anyway.
Yes, now get off my sand.
bhsportsguy - February 9, 2012
Jesus
If you are not throwing things on the sand why are you on the beach?
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
If I can't throw frisbees
I’m gonna throw hands
mleadman - February 9, 2012
I go to the beach for the ocean and cuz its hotter then shit in the valley. Im in the water the whole time, only time im not, is when im snacking on a sandwich or doritos, or other things possibly, but then its right back into the water I go!
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
I would guess
the last 40 times I’ve been to the beach, I did not go in the water
mleadman - February 9, 2012
yeah, you know, seems like a few are like this… Personally I never understood why people like going to the beach if they arent going into the water…. but ive just never been into tanning.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
I mean, there are other reasons to go to the beach, but I mean as far as just sitting there and letting the sun bake you…. and not enter the water… or enter the water for a dip, or cool off, then back to getting baked…. or sleeping.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
My tanning days are long gone
I now have skin that burns easily, so I don’t go to the beach any more, and when I did I covered up
mleadman - February 9, 2012
Playing some kind of sport
(besides girl watching) was always (and still is) my favorite thing to do at the beach. Frisbee, football tossing, soccer ball kicking, paddle ball, kite flying (well not really a sport, but kites could easily crash on someone). Next up would be digging in the sand and building sand castles, but I also see that you are not allowed to dig any holes more than 18 inches deep in the sand. People have obviously complained and maybe someone got sued, so now we can’t do anything but just sit on our towels and swim in the water? Whatever happened to common sense?
Xeifrank - February 9, 2012
common sense was banned as well, so now we regulate it.
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
Remember, we're talking about the local government here.
Common sense does not apply. If you doubt it, go to your local city council meeting. There are people there that want the cities to clamp down on everything.
iiidown - February 9, 2012
I've learned all I need to know about local gov
from parks and rec
nolander - February 9, 2012
z
I’m sure this will be easy for some of you.
Name the pitching rotations.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
can anyone do me a solid and tell me what stadium this is? Sorry bout the shitty picture
http://i.imgur.com/MbeQE.jpg
nolander - February 9, 2012
did you take this photo?
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
yeah
shoulda turned of the flash, but I was in a hurry as I was late to Supercross
nolander - February 9, 2012
it’s a photo of a photo
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
RESOLUTION
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
INCEPTION
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
GD it josie
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
Looks like Forbes Field
Here are a few Google images that seem to match:
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
awesome
nolander - February 9, 2012
And the image itself
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
Also seen here, confirming Game 7 in 1960.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
beat me to it!
was just about to link to that
nolander - February 9, 2012
So this shot is from Carnegie tower or something?
mleadman - February 9, 2012
Per Flickr
here:
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
thank you
this was going to bother me forever if I didn’t get an answer
nolander - February 9, 2012
now you know, Carnegie Mellon students atop the Tower of Learning watching the Pirates in the WS against the Yankees at Forbes Field. What restaurant were you in?
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
red robins irvine spectrum
nolander - February 9, 2012
I was going to say, it has to be Red Robin or Applebee’s.
Now I am thinking about the retiring coach Applebee’s commercial when they put his picture on the wall. Getting dusty in here…
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
I know I shouldn’t expect too much from a restaurant in a box, but what does a ballpark in Pittsburgh have to do with a chain from Seattle?
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
Not all red robins have the same things
I would simply argue that they go for images that are iconically american(butchered that sentence didn’t i?), not necessarily local to seattle or the location of the restaurant.
nolander - February 9, 2012
for w/e reason red robins walls come off as cool and interesting to me
while Applebees comes off as cheesy.
nolander - February 9, 2012
I found it funny that the Applebee’s in Fountain Valley had a huge Dodger wall.
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
Applebee's is just bitter that OC likes Chili's more
nolander - February 9, 2012
What would be cool would be a local burger joint that had locally relavant photos up and like little league trophies and whatnot : )
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
So Ballpark Pizza but with burgers
nolander - February 9, 2012
pizza works too, I’ll have to try Ballpark Pizza the next time I’m behind the Orange Curtain : )
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
I haven't been to one in forever
they are not as big as they used to be, only 3 locations left. They usually have team banners(little league, ayso etc) wall to wall though. I practically grew up there it was THE place for team parties. You wouldn’t even think to go anywhere else.
nolander - February 9, 2012
Haven’t been there forever, but I am a fan.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
I miss Backstop Pizza now :(
Nolij - February 9, 2012
Hey, the one in Culver City?
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
Yep. That place was awesome after games.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
I knew the owners in the mid 90’s. Name of Spatafora, had a few Super Bowl Parties there in the back room. They moved to Vegas. Great guy, short, stout, loud.
meercatjohn - February 9, 2012
apparently Tower of Learning is Pitt not Carnegie Mellon
Josie Becker - February 9, 2012
More on that photo here and here:
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
i always wondered why there were no LF bleachers
delias man - February 9, 2012
My first thought was that it was of Mazeroski’s homer but it’s hard to know
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Dodgers should just trade Uribe for Burnett and be done with it.
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
They would end up with Sean instead of A.J.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
Either Burnett would be great
As it means Uribe would be off the team. That’s the main thing.
Although, the thought of paying A.J. Burnett $33 million for two years is quite unappealing.
FeelinKindaBlue - February 9, 2012
I thought about this earlier this morning. Would’ve been a good move prior to Capang.
OB12 - February 9, 2012
is this things Dodger fans say?
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
Like OB12 said
if we didn’t have Capuano or Harang I’d be for it, though I think Uribe will be bouncing back to an ok season.
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
Dodgers signed Andrew Sisco, yeah buddy.
uschris0304 - February 9, 2012
Sisco kid?
He was a friend of mine
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
This signing feels Incomplete
G.Scott - February 9, 2012
He’s got dumps like a truck.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
gimme some of his sister Karen
Hollywood Joe - February 9, 2012
Few better feelings than taking over the lead when using your last letter in Words With Friends.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
Indeed
I got burned out on WWF right around Christmas and haven’t really played it since, except for one game recently.
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
I saw this before the post above and cracked up thinking it was old wrestling.
silverwidow - February 9, 2012
I’m playing one person who I crush every game, one who I’m pretty even with but I’m starting to beat him regularly and then my girlfriend who always beats me, but I just won against her.
I must be getting better at it.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
The World Wildlife Federation is pissed at you right now
Ivdown - February 9, 2012
His gravestone will read:
He punched kittens but it was a panda that did him in.
Nolij - February 9, 2012
I can get work done or get into a dumb Twitter fight with Josh Macciello decisions decisions.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
Ask him about his nonexistent movies.
fbihop - February 9, 2012
Asked him what was favorite scene was in Walkaway Joe. The dude is very good at deflecting I’ll give him that.
regfairfield - February 9, 2012
I think it's real
http://www.hsx.com/security/view/WALKJ
Nolij - February 9, 2012
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09174/979170-67.stm?cmpid=news.xml
nolander - February 9, 2012
I wonder if it ever actually got made
nolander - February 9, 2012
Or maybe the producer flaked when it came to actually spending the money?
Nolij - February 9, 2012
which would mean it never actually got made
nolander - February 9, 2012
haha I just saw that
Will today end with you being hired by his corporation? ;)
Or outing them as non existent.
underdog - February 9, 2012
It appears there's a new post above, with more prospects galore!
http://www.truebluela.com/2012/2/9/2784042/dodgers-2012-minor-league-countdown-50-41
underdog - February 9, 2012
There you came to save the day!
kinbote - February 9, 2012
Humma’s ears are burning
Eric Stephen - February 9, 2012
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